Are you worried yet.

[allandwf]

Workmates Wife was a Ward Sister, would go back as a General Nurse. We debated this as he thought she should have gone back as an equivalent, even though she would only be there to help out, not to mention practices and administration would have changed dramatically since she retired.

 

[Oneball]

My Dad’s second vaccination in Jan has been cancelled “in accordance with government guidelines” apparently there’s now evidence that the second jab should be given up to 12 weeks after the first.

 

[Saigon]

My Dad’s second vaccination in Jan has been cancelled “in accordance with government guidelines” apparently there’s now evidence that the second jab should be given up to 12 weeks after the first.

I think it’s now that they have decided to use the second vaccination, or what should have been the second vaccination, to give others their first vaccination. Which to me says there is inadequate vaccine available. If not, why change things.

 

[Dman666]

My Dad’s second vaccination in Jan has been cancelled “in accordance with government guidelines” apparently there’s now evidence that the second jab should be given up to 12 weeks after the first.

Really I’ve not heard this

 

[Oneball]

Really I’ve not heard this

yep he had the cancellation today.

 

[Oneball]

I think it’s now that they have decided to use the second vaccination, or what should have been the second vaccination, to give others their first vaccination. Which to me says there is inadequate vaccine available. If not, why change things.

According to my brother in law who is doing vaccinations, yes, supply is the limiting factor at the moment

 

[allandwf]

My Dad’s second vaccination in Jan has been cancelled “in accordance with government guidelines” apparently there’s now evidence that the second jab should be given up to 12 weeks after the first.

It seems to be getting very chaotic.

 

[Saigon]

yep he had the cancellation today.

It’s been on most of the news, apparently it’s more effective to use the vaccine which would have been a lot of people’s second jab, for other folks first jab instead. Work it out.

 

[Oneball]

It’s been on most of the news, apparently it’s more effective to use the vaccine which would have been a lot of people’s second jab, for other folks first jab instead. Work it out.

Ah that makes more sense, I was on to bottle number 2 when my Dad was explaining it!

 

[philw696]

Yeah saw Channel 4 news tonight and that's what's happening.

 

[Dman666]

I’m not sure I’d would want the job of getting all the vaccines produced and distributed and given,must be an absolute minefield.....legistal nightmare also producing enough vaccine etc.

 

[Saigon]

Ah that makes more sense, I was on to bottle number 2 when my Dad was explaining it!

By work it out, I was inferring that the reason is due to the possibility that somehow we have insufficient vaccine to continue with the original plan. So now, potential second vaccinations are being used as first vaccinations for others. If that is true, it’s another cock up.

 

[Oneball]

By work it out, I was inferring that the reason is due to the possibility that somehow we have insufficient vaccine to continue with the original plan. So now, potential second vaccinations are being used as first vaccinations for others. If that is true, it’s another cock up.

My assumption is that they are really really really worried about the “new strain”

 

[Ali355]

Logic for that change can be seen here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344726215693893632

Suspect it’s pragmatism rather than cock up. For every 1000 people given their booster that takes them from circa 70% immunity to 95(ish) percent immunity, we can get 1000 additional vulnerable people up to 70% immunity. In reality getting over 80s, many of whom will need transport to get to the clinic to attend as early as Monday, will result in a few slots potentially going empty. If we can use those to immunise staff then we should be able to minimise any downside of patients who cannot attend. That’s the plan. The logistics will be tricky.

 

[Saigon]

My assumption is that they are really really really worried about the “new strain”

Quite possibly, but there appears to be a lack of vaccine readily available. Also, now we are all going on about the new strain. Old strain or new strain, We are beginning to forget about the the root cause of Increased virus infections. It’s not just down to the government, or their advice, or a more infective strain, it’s still basically down to idiots who have little or no consideration for others, the general public that are not acting responsibly, catching it, and passing it on.

 

[Oneball]

Quite possibly, but there appears to be a lack of vaccine readily available. Also, now we are all going on about the new strain. Old strain or new strain are beginning to forget about the the root cause of Increased virus infections. It’s not just down to the government, or their advice, or a more infective strain, it’s still basically down to idiots who have little or no consideration for others, the general public that are not acting responsibly, catching it, and passing it on.

Yeo I agree, after going into town last week I reckon there’s 50% of the population that deserve to get it just because they’re idiots.

 

[jasst]

They only ordered a very limited no of the Pfizer jabs, as they were pinning their hopes on on the astra zenica jab getting approval as it's much easier to distribute etc, they have possibly decided to concentrate on first jabs to get as many people some protection as the general situation is much worse than expected. Imho.

 

[CatmanV2]

Logic for that change can be seen here:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344726215693893632

Suspect it’s pragmatism rather than cock up. For every 1000 people given their booster that takes them from circa 70% immunity to 95(ish) percent immunity, we can get 1000 additional vulnerable people up to 70% immunity. In reality getting over 80s, many of whom will need transport to get to the clinic to attend as early as Monday, will result in a few slots potentially going empty. If we can use those to immunise staff then we should be able to minimise any downside of patients who cannot attend. That’s the plan. The logistics will be tricky.

Never ascribe to malice etc etc.

Yes, I think you're correct.

C

 

[Saigon]

They only ordered a very limited no of the Pfizer jabs, as they were pinning their hopes on on the astra zenica jab getting approval as it's much easier to distribute etc, they have possibly decided to concentrate on first jabs to get as many people some protection as the general situation is much worse than expected. Imho.

Fair point.

 

[GeoffCapes]

My Dad’s second vaccination in Jan has been cancelled “in accordance with government guidelines” apparently there’s now evidence that the second jab should be given up to 12 weeks after the first.

My parents had their first jabs today.
Which I was very happy about as my dad have mixed dementia. So him getting the vaccine would be a huge relief.

However, they were told that it’s unlikely that they would get a second for several months as the school of thought is that protecting 50% of people to 50% is better than protecting less at 95%.

Fuming. Absolutely fuming. Can I get them a 2nd jab privately?

In other news another relative who works on a Covid ward has just tested positive.