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bigbob

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But you've just contradicted yourself. It's fine to take a risk with a mortgage and a noose around your neck if we have a repeat of the 80's with interest rates going into the teens and then you say don't do it with a car which if devalued would't exactly bankrupt you like a house! It's all swings and roundabouts. If we follow your archaic idealogy then the 75% who have mortgages should rent because they can't afford to own outright. The reason we got into the 2008 crisis was with sub-prime lending on Mortgages nothing to do with cars or other luxuries on finance.

The sub prime crisis was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The total story was simply a mountain of debt that the world had built up and most asset classes and most people were collectively responsible.

Back on message, the 'if it goes up own it and if goes down rent it' story is itself an over simplification. The reality is just a mixture of people trading off value for money, flexibility and time to get what works for them. Cars don't depreciate less if they are leased. Sure manufacturers' often offer cheap deals to meet targets but you can get these through purchase consolidators as much as through leasing companies.

Nothing wrong with people moving to buying everything on a price per month basis but it doesn't mean it costs them less. They get more 'utility' (it's a sugar thing) but in the round they pay for it as finance companies have to make money to offer to bankroll people paying for things monthly rather than upfront.
 

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Getting a mortgage beyond the retirement age is quite irresponsible unless your mortgage is pretty substantial (over £1million). I was close to paying mine off then I moved to Surrey....
 

Felonious Crud

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Getting a mortgage beyond the retirement age is quite irresponsible unless your mortgage is pretty substantial (over £1million). I was close to paying mine off then I moved to Surrey....

Which is presumably a good thing for you as it's close to work for you and Mrs MLC and a gorgeous place to live. It is, therefore, worth the tolerable angst of having some debt, right?

I could elect to put all my money into paying off my mortgage as fast as possible, but my house is appreciating at a rate higher than the paltry interest I pay on my mortgage (for now, at least), my pension pot is also growing faster and the delight I get from owning a silly car is, to me, worth the cost in both real and depreciation terms. Whilst there are other things I could do with the money which would make far more financial sense, isn't that always the way? Which of us, on our death bed, wants to be saying "well, didn't that all just go very sensibly". Not me, that's for sure!
 

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Which is presumably a good thing for you as it's close to work for you and Mrs MLC and a gorgeous place to live. It is, therefore, worth the tolerable angst of having some debt, right?

I could elect to put all my money into paying off my mortgage as fast as possible, but my house is appreciating at a rate higher than the paltry interest I pay on my mortgage (for now, at least), my pension pot is also growing faster and the delight I get from owning a silly car is, to me, worth the cost in both real and depreciation terms. Whilst there are other things I could do with the money which would make far more financial sense, isn't that always the way? Which of us, on our death bed, wants to be saying "well, didn't that all just go very sensibly". Not me, that's for sure!

Exactly, risk is where the fun is. Do something everyday which scares you!
 

midlifecrisis

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Which is presumably a good thing for you as it's close to work for you and Mrs MLC and a gorgeous place to live. It is, therefore, worth the tolerable angst of having some debt, right?

I could elect to put all my money into paying off my mortgage as fast as possible, but my house is appreciating at a rate higher than the paltry interest I pay on my mortgage (for now, at least), my pension pot is also growing faster and the delight I get from owning a silly car is, to me, worth the cost in both real and depreciation terms. Whilst there are other things I could do with the money which would make far more financial sense, isn't that always the way? Which of us, on our death bed, wants to be saying "well, didn't that all just go very sensibly". Not me, that's for sure!
Why thank you, you're all invited to come round after Brooklands AutoItalia 2019, or any time for that matter.
One of the reasons why I have a Maserati now is that an engineer in my profession turned up in a rather nice Merc and he said that he treated himself to it as he wasn't getting any younger, he was 60 at the time. I didn't want to wait that long, and I still don't, hence my forum name, and looking out for another one...
 

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But you've just contradicted yourself. It's fine to take a risk with a mortgage and a noose around your neck if we have a repeat of the 80's with interest rates going into the teens and then you say don't do it with a car which if devalued would't exactly bankrupt you like a house! It's all swings and roundabouts. If we follow your archaic idealogy then the 75% who have mortgages should rent because they can't afford to own outright. The reason we got into the 2008 crisis was with sub-prime lending on Mortgages nothing to do with cars or other luxuries on finance.

Some people choose to run a car with the allowance they get from their company and then finance a new vehicle via those funds . It's makes more sense than buying a £1500 snotter and then breaking down and constantly throwing money at an older car. Even if most had the money in savings they wouldn't spend all their savings on a car when you won't miss £200 pcm,

You sound very old fashioned in your views. How old are you out of interest?
I'm 44. I'm not sure about other people but most put a heafty amount down when buying a house so not many get into negative equity now? You may call it archaic ideology but I call it "thinking". If I had a mortgage that was going up so much so that I was starting to struggle I wouldn't drive "My Maserati". The person on the other side of the street with the same mortgage and the "Leased Maserati" would have been struggling before me with mortgage and lease payments and then he'd have to hand his car back.
No should I live for today or should I think a little?

Just my opinion by the way!
 

Felonious Crud

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Carpe ******* diem, chaps! We'll be a long time dead.

However we choose to pay (or not pay) for these wonderful cars probably doesn't impact much on the enjoyment we get from them.
 

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Carpe ******* diem, chaps! We'll be a long time dead.

However we choose to pay (or not pay) for these wonderful cars probably doesn't impact much on the enjoyment we get from them.

Interesting that ******* is ******** on the page but not on the preview on the home page. ;)

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As a pro gambler I have no credit rating and would never get credit at a competitive rate. I've never had a loan, credit card or any finance so my rating goes down as "bad". I had to buy my house outright when I was 29. The reason I didn't get an f430 was because buying a supercar in cash makes no sense to me, so I bit the bullet and got the GTS. If I was offered a 50k loan at 3-4% I'd soon swap Gold for Rosso Corsa!
 

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As a pro gambler I have no credit rating and would never get credit at a competitive rate. I've never had a loan, credit card or any finance so my rating goes down as "bad". I had to buy my house outright when I was 29. The reason I didn't get an f430 was because buying a supercar in cash makes no sense to me, so I bit the bullet and got the GTS. If I was offered a 50k loan at 3-4% I'd soon swap Gold for Rosso Corsa!

well it seems you are a very good "pro gambler" then, does that stop you getting any type of credit at all then and does that come up as a profession?
 

midlifecrisis

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As a pro gambler I have no credit rating and would never get credit at a competitive rate. I've never had a loan, credit card or any finance so my rating goes down as "bad". I had to buy my house outright when I was 29. The reason I didn't get an f430 was because buying a supercar in cash makes no sense to me, so I bit the bullet and got the GTS. If I was offered a 50k loan at 3-4% I'd soon swap Gold for Rosso Corsa!

Tips please!
 

smiffywhu

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well it seems you are a very good "pro gambler" then, does that stop you getting any type of credit at all then and does that come up as a profession?
Rob Flintan at supercar finance offered me a 80k deal over 5 years (30k deposit) but I had to stop putting gambling transactions through my bank for 3 months and get back to him once the account looked "clean" - I never did though. Never discussed % either.

Regarding can I get credit, I only asked Santander for a 30k mortgage with a 200k deposit when I was 26, they refused due to my occupation hence I had to rent for 3 years and blow 30k to my bald headed pr1ck landlord who thought he was a mafia don. It does come up as a profession as said bank has recently asked for reasoning over high turnover yet being unemployed. It's apparently for suspected money laundering. Obviously my statement tells it's own story and they've given me the green light.
 
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lifes2short

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Rob Flintan at supercar finance offered me a 80k deal over 5 years (30k deposit) but I had to stop putting gambling transactions through my bank for 3 months and get back to him once the account looked "clean" - I never did though. Never discussed % either.

well cash has always been king, but seems the younger generation don't think so, my daughters always ask me for change when having to go to town and feed the parking meters, they carry absolutely no change/or cash at all and I do mean absolutely nothing, they will use their debit cards to buy things at 99p :rolleyes:
 

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I’m guilty of that!
Rarely have cash on me, all cards...some change in the car for items little one might want from rides etc but mainly all on card
 

Charlesmaserati426

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After me and the ex wife broke up all I was left with was my Impreza and my escort and the right to see my children...ouch! Shortly after the divorce was settled I then decided to buy a 4200 through finance lol. Last car I bought in cash was my sti, and that was in 2008. Nowadays I don’t think cars warrant buying outright unless you think they will gain value. Literally the only reason I keep my little collection.