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I tell you what has put me right off. I can't believe I've only just noticed the moss green Ghibli has got a wonky eye...
Biturbos/number cars/Ghibli IIs for sale
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It sits a bit on the “huh” too...look at the rear view pics..!
Oh, and the front lower grill looks to be damaged...?
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Good spot. And wowsers, just 14k! All the chopping around the past 2 years can’t be confidence inspiring…
Well not quite - £16K but it still didn’t sell.....
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Still showing as ‘unsold’. Don’t think it met the reserve. If it was mine and I’d paid 19k for it a year ago there’s no way I’d let it go for 16k now. The owner should just keep it and enjoy it for a few years. See how/if the market changes.
Probably...but why buy a car and flog it twelve months later after just 2K miles anyway...? You gotta take the hit imo. Unless you don’t want to sell. It’s a Maserati- normal rules don’t apply.
This guy says he’s bought a holiday home and needs the dough...doh!
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Probably...but why buy a car and flog it twelve months later after just 2K miles anyway...? You gotta take the hit imo. Unless you don’t want to sell. It’s a Maserati- normal rules don’t apply.
This guy says he’s bought a holiday home and needs the dough...doh!
Yes, strange. At the risk of sounding like Hyacinth Bucket I did wonder if there’s something intrinsically wrong with it. Bills for 18k from McGrath, sold in 2019, then again in 2021, minimal miles during that period and up for sale again now. She’s not getting much love.
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Maybe it’s due a cam chain service. That’s a wallop in the guts if you bought the car on a whim.
How often do they need the chain “serviced”..because McGrath rebuilt the engine in 2017 ( amoungst other things at a cost of £18K) and it hasn’t done much since by all accounts...?
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It was mentioned in post No.41
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This car is also doing the rounds again.
1992 Maserati Bi-Turbo Coupé For Sale by Auction
Imported and first registered in the UK in 2010, t...themarket.bonhams.com
@dickyb we've discussed this one before haven't we – is it 'just' a 222 in 4v/Racing warpaint?
It’s a second series 2.24v (also known as a “restyling”) which in standard form would be cosmetically almost identical to a 222 4v or a Racing. This particular example has a couple of features that make it identical in appearance to a genuine Racing, it has darkened rear lights and a full leather interior (a 2.24v would usually have alcantara outer seat bolsters with leather in the centres. Full leather was an option on the 2.24v but it’s very rare). The engine code on the chassis plate is the giveaway that it’s not a genuine Racing, this car has the AM475 engine whereas a Racing would have the AM490.
If you could remove the tat and return the car to standard it would be a pretty nice car, the 2.24v is still a quick car and only has around 30bhp less than a Racing or a 222 4v.
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Maserati recommend the timing chains are changed every 48000 miles. This is usually an engine out job and is quite expensive. In the old days a main dealer would charge around £4000 for the job and the book time was around 30 hours. These days a specialist would charge around £2000-2500, but often you will find all kinds of other jobs that will need doing whilst the engine is out and the bill can be higher. It is possible to change the timing chains with the engine in situ so as long as there isn’t anything else that needs doing, the cost can be reasonable. With diligent oil changes and the use of top quality oil you can make the timing chains last much longer, the general view is that they only need changing if they become noisy and I know of a few cars that have reached 80000 miles plus before the chains have needed changing.
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Looks like quite a nice example. There is some rust bubbling on the right side rear quarter panel close to the door and there is some rust in a couple of the wheel arches, most notably the front left but nothing you wouldn’t expect to see on a nearly 30 year old car. Overall the 4.24v is a really nice car, very discreet and only those in the know will appreciate what it is, they can still surprise a lot of modern cars with their performance too. Unfortunately the 4 door cars are seen as less desirable than the Coupes and values at one point dropped to less than the cost of a cam chain service. As a result you will find a lot of 4.24Vs out there with deferred maintenance that could cost a significant proportion of the value of the car to bring back up to scratch. That particular car is fitted with budget tyres which always sounds alarm bells to me, if they can't put pay the money for decent tyres on a Maserati, what else have they scrimped on?
If anyone is interested there is a very interesting restoration thread of a 4.24v by a guy in France, the website is in French but if you don't speak French you could maybe try a website translator or just look at the pictures
This is the full thread: https://forum-auto.caradisiac.com/topic/378503-une-maserati-424-v-de-plus-en-restauration/#comments
There's also a more abbreviated one here: http://www.maseratitude.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=167
The end result looked awesome!
He was in the process of upgrading the engine and was aiming to make his own Ghibli Cup spec engine, he even had some 4.24v Cup badges made but the thread hasn't been updated for some time so I'm not sure how far he got.
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Wow...he’s not shy to roll up his sleeves...Every corner it seems, needed something, so just as well, I suppose.
When you consider where the modern engine format has arrived, these small displacement biturbos were ahead of their time. And punching above their weight...!
Looks very nice....
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Not my cup of char in white, but looks nice enough if optimistically priced:
Maserati Ghibli GT | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Maserati Ghibli GT at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products!
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Did you know that Maserati experimented with 6 valves per cylinder on the Biturbo engine? This was on the 2 litre version and was achieved with some very clever valve control, it was known as the 6.36 (6 cylinder, 36 valves).When you consider where the modern engine format has arrived, these small displacement biturbos were ahead of their time. And punching above their weight...!
There’s a very good YouTube video about it if you’re interested
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Not my cup of char in white, but looks nice enough if optimistically priced:
Maserati Ghibli GT | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Maserati Ghibli GT at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products!www.ebay.co.uk
looks pretty nice and the price isn’t that unreasonable for a good example, particularly as it’s a GT. Unfortunately I’m not sure whether there would be many UK buyers willing to pay that kind of money, particularly for a LHD auto. I think it only looks expensive because most U.K. RHD cars are in pretty poor shape and tend to sell for quite low prices. I’m sure if the seller advertised the car in Europe he’d sell it pretty quickly, prices for nice Ghiblis now start at around 30000 Euros.
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Bear in mind that we (european) have to pay import duty now for cars purchased in UK.
25000gbp is already almost 30.000€, then you have to pay 10% customs duty and VAT (between 19 and 21 depending of your contry).
So 25000gbp --> 30k€ --> 33k€ (customs duty) --> 40k€
I'm not sure there is a market for a 40k€ ghibli auto at the moment (even for a manual, it would be difficult to sell at this price).
25000gbp is already almost 30.000€, then you have to pay 10% customs duty and VAT (between 19 and 21 depending of your contry).
So 25000gbp --> 30k€ --> 33k€ (customs duty) --> 40k€
I'm not sure there is a market for a 40k€ ghibli auto at the moment (even for a manual, it would be difficult to sell at this price).
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My understanding is that there should not be any duty on selling this particular car into the EU, as not only is there a free-trade agreement between the UK and the EU, but the car was built in the EU in the first place.
We sell goods into the EU everyday, with no duty. Though we deal in paint, not cars, so it might be different.
We sell goods into the EU everyday, with no duty. Though we deal in paint, not cars, so it might be different.