Cheap four post lift

Zep

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As I think mentioned above, you can get various inverters that will go from single to 3 phase. But the voltage will generally remain 240(ish) volts. You can also get rotary converters what are effectively 3 phase generators powered by single phase motors.

The 230volt solution is usually ok for most 3 phase motors but it is important to check. Some aren’t ok with it.

Of course the cheap way to do it is to get a single phase motor of the correct size and change the motor (and a small amount of wiring. Probably with a soft starter to stop the lights flickering.
 

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seems the youtube video was not allowed on here and got a telling off by Conaero, feel like a naughty school boy now, apologies to anyone that got upset by it
Shame to have missed the video.
I use both hoists and four post for the 4x4 and vans but you can do most things with beam jacks and where they score is tool storage etc.
 

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Of course the cheap way to do it is to get a single phase motor of the correct size and change the motor (and a small amount of wiring. Probably with a soft starter to stop the lights flickering.

as already mentioned on here by another member, not really worth the agro, if buying new you can get them in 240 volt anyway
 

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In 40 years on the tools I can only remember one incident of an MOT tester starting a car that due to his laziness he let the customer put his own car on the 4 post MOT ramp.
He then leans in to start car which was left in first gear. The Astra started and jumped forward smashing the beam tester which are expensive bits of kit and damaging car.
Tester and owner both in shock.
I'm busy wetting myself as it was all long time happening.
 

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Just had a quick measure and took some pics if it helps anyone.

I have 4.1m from floor to highest point in middle section of ceiling. Then 5.3m over length space up top between end boarded sections.

Lift is currently at 1.85m from floor to bottom of lift floor sections as pics. There is about 650mm space/clearance above TVR roof to bottom of lift above. Maser up top has about 750mm clearance above to lowest part it would touch which is wooden purlin.

Hope that helps if of any use to anyone looking for a lift.

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There are mechanical locks on each post so you raise lift on hydraulics then drop back down slighlty to engage locks so not relying on hydraulics.

I am very happy with the lift for the price as it is wide, high and very strong/robust. I have no worries or issues walking under it and my kids waking under it. For me the 4 post was the only option as I will work on it on my own a lot. Easy for one person to get cars on or off, so no phaffing with arms. Easy to get in/out of car as no stupid post to wack your door into.

Mostly it is a storage/parking lift so it was important to me it was easy to use for one man, safe and going to be strong to store care up above almost permanently.

It has a jacking beam to get front or rear axle/wheels up. To be honest though I won't use that much as going to get a scissor lift in the second bay on the other side of garage to do any easy wheel/suspension work.

If anyone ever wants a gander I'm just outside Potters Bar so your more than welcome to look at it all if it helps visualise what your planning.

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Thats a really great setup you've got there. I'm a bit old school in having a pit in my garage (7ft deep by 4.5 meters) with railway sleepers to cover it when not in use). Came in really handy when I spent the summer cleaning the undercarriage and wax oiling duties. Makes servicing and the like a doddle. I bought this place from my in-laws in France when they retired in 2004. He'd already installed 2 phase and 3 phase electric for all his machinery. I loved the garage he'd built and I just had to have it knowing it had a mechanics pit. I couldn't find anything here to match the space so feel really lucky to have landed this place and this man-cave for the Maser. IMG_2751.JPG
 

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Looks good. I looked at the idea of a pit as need a plan possibly for a new garage if we get permission to build a new house.

Not sure what is best. Is it quite practical to use compared with a 4 post. Any obvious ads or disads compared to 4 post?
 

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With a pit, I would say this, if you make a mess i.e dropping the oil from a car and you miss the pan, then its an easier clean and limited to that immediate area, and as it's in a work area that you expect to get dirty you won't have an OCD hissy fit and nothing in the vicinity gets dirty in the process.

If you drop any tools, nuts bolts etc..... then they don't roll away and disappear to never never land. They are in the pit and easy to find!

Access to the underneath of a car I've found really quick and easy and being able to see all the bits of the car as a whole is advantageous. From a safety point, the car is still on the ground (like a four post) so it ain't falling anywhere. In my case, I simply drive over the pit (with the sleepers still in place) then I remove a ventilation grill, step on to a permanent ladder thats below and systematically remove the sleepers one by one. Takes all of a few minutes to gain full access and I'm "up skirting" her (see picture above) before you know it.......

For me, having a pit makes the work just as easy as a four poster with no floor surface area being compromised. If I wanted to use a gearbox jack let's say to do a clutch,then that is do-able, as the pit is deep enough and wide enough to accommodate having that tool in there. Having railway sleepers in place allows me a strong base should I park a car on top of it and because they are in set cut sections, I can choose to remove some or all depending on my needs, they are also strong enough to support a car, axle stands, jacks etc. So if I need to ever do wheels off stuff such as discs and brakes or let's say remove an exhaust, but still need below access, then that is possible too.

The advantage of a fourposter, Point 1: it's a cleaner way of working, push a button the car goes up. Point 2: height can be adjusted to the user. (i.e in a pit it's a set height and a short ***' like me sometimes needs to use a step to reach some bits buried higher up). Point 3: another car park space has just materialised! The only thing to watch here is grime and oil dropping on to the car below, so cover the car underneath. It doesn't bare thinking about if you've got leaks from brake/clutch etc and fluids are dropping on to your other pride and joy.

The only tricky job I can think of with the four poster is.... It might not be easy to do a removal of a suspension strut. But then you'd use jack and stands for this if no two post lift is available.

If you go down the route in having a pit, make sure you install some sort of lighting and a power source outlet (somewhere close to enable you to plug a power tool or two). A way to get in/out i.e build in steps or more space saving/cost idea....just put a ladder. The ventilation grill I mentioned above in the 2nd para is to allow the pit to breath and prevent humidity when you're not using it (i.e when all the sleepers are in place).

If none of the above works for you then.......

Step one: Open door of your Magnifico Maser
Step two: Turn key of said car,
Step three: Start engine and let warm,
Step four: Drive down to your favourite Main dealer or Indie.
Step five: Wait in luxury client area with lovely coffee and beautiful people.
Step six: Pay said Main dealer or Indie......
Step seven: Drive home in your recently sorted Maser.
Step eight: (Optional) No need to have a shower after work done.

Hope this was of use..
 
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as already mentioned on here by another member, not really worth the agro, if buying new you can get them in 240 volt anyway

Agreed. The point I was making is that motors are cheap and they can be changed. Horses for courses.
 

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You get a set of plastic drip trays as an extra that I got that sit under the car above to stop drips landing on car below.
 

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Looks good. I looked at the idea of a pit as need a plan possibly for a new garage if we get permission to build a new house.

Not sure what is best. Is it quite practical to use compared with a 4 post. Any obvious ads or disads compared to 4 post?

what i'm curious about is what measures are taken if traditionally built with regards to water tables especially if you have a high water table, tanking, dpm's are all important to make sure the pit don't flood and/or loads of damp rising up from it and rusting the underside of your pride and joy, I have come across preformed plastic/fibreglass ones that you just drop in place.
 

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Some useful reading for anyone considering pits, didn't realise the thing about heavier gases sitting at bottom of pit, personally speaking I think pits can be dangerous, however, I can see they are very useful if you don't have the room for an above ground lift and as long as you have all the safety features fitted such an inline extractor fan at the very least.
if you have the room for a proper lift it doesn't necessarily have to cost a lot, I also have an external 4 post bradbury lift fitted that I bought from fleabay for the princely sum of £400 and fitted by professional for a further £300. If you checkout fleabay there are a number of good quality used ramps that are being sold for not a lot of money and for genuine reasons

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Thats very interesting re: water tables, good drainage if needed would certainly help. From a health and safety aspect with a pit, provided you have good ventilation and you're not planning to sleep in it with the engine permanently on then I think you should be ok!

So in the case of my garage here in France, we get rain like the next country and in my 14 years the worst I got was 1cm standing water and again that was with torrential rain over a two day period which I traced to a blocked exit drain incidentally. So any thoughts on pits should include and factoring of the possibility of rising damp, but remember it doesn't have to be parked permanently over it if it is planned right to begin with or if that worries you.

In my case The Garage was built in 1976 with the pit being made of breeze block walled sides. The whole thing was positioned closest to the double slide door/entrance so ventilation is not an issue. As far as the ventilation and asphyxiation point, I'm still here telling the tale and healthy with no un-toward health issues.......But I must admit I'm creaking like a good-un these days.

Like anything in life, a common sense approach works (for me anyway), if you're planning to play in a garage, stay focussed and alert. If you're a dreamer or in anyway someone who lacks the ability to concentrate or are an away with the fairies type, then you'll get hurt no matter what you do.........2 post, 4 post, in a Pit or otherwise!

Ultimately you do the best with what you have and enjoy the learning in the process. I speak for myself here....I get such a kick out of being able to do things myself, being self sufficient as far as possible and being as independent as I can. Some things yes you'll need to pay others for, however in helping yourself as much as you can, diagnosing a fault then having the ability (tools, lifts and stuff) in rectifying it, I find really rewarding. The satisfaction is just difficult to put a price on......

Below is a pic of the pit with sleepers, please ignore table above, that is another project for another time. Thirsty work this hobby tinkering with cars!

Hope this is helpful...Or should I be apologising to one and all...
 

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I'm pretty happy with my choice of 4 post lift for my garage and my circumstances. It seems if you have the roof space above a lift is better than a pit. If you don't then a pit is the only option.

A 4 post lift has quite a few advantages in my option to a pit. I was working on an air suspension leak fault on my E55K recently and had the arch liner out, wheel on full lock but on. Was able to look at front of car, underneath front and inside wheel liner/arch quite easily alternating between all 3 areas. With a pit that would have been a pain or you would need to jack it up so defeats object of pit.

Ventilation would certainly concern me as gases seem to be heavier and sit in the bottom unless you have good ventilation. I think maybe pits were often used for large commercials as a large heavy commercial lift is expensive and/or dangerous. Of course here it seems to make sense. With an up to 2 ton car it seems to make less sense to me and a seems more applicable.