Loz's old GS up for sale

[BenjaminBraddock]

Andy I think we sometimes need to be a little careful in singing praises for cars for sale from certain sources - a friend of mine bought from nuvola only to discover a serious issue (identified by Giallo) that wasn't picked up by a pre-sale main dealer inspection & service that nuvola had carried out. This isn't a slight on nuvola who footed the bill once informed so great credit to them, but I think your comment is a tad unreasonable and unsubstantiated as none of us know these cars well enough to pass comment.

 

[allandwf]

I think that well known forum cars should have a premium, as they are known warts and all, usually well looked after, and the buyer knows exactly what he/she is getting. A car from another source no matter how good a reputation will always have an unknown factor, one that if it does rear it's head the more reputable of them should fix, but not always.

 

[rockits]

The trade uses a 30% reduction in value on average for a CAT car over a non-CAT car. My brother has been in the trade for 20 years & I know that is the figure many in the trade use.

I think private punters undervalue the CAT reduction more like 10-20%. I agree pretty much with the trade at 25-30% as 10-20% is not enough. Whether the car is good or bad or perfectly as good as a non-CAT car doesn't come into it. It is the value of the vehicle in the market.

 

[zagatoes30]

On the plus a well known car high spec GS with some good after market mods on the negative a Cat D - On balance it should be at the lower end of the GS price band which it is. Allow for some negotiation I would say the price is there or there about especially if there is evidence of the Cat D before and after the repair.

 

[Fat Arnie]

Andy I think we sometimes need to be a little careful in singing praises for cars for sale from certain sources - a friend of mine bought from nuvola only to discover a serious issue (identified by Giallo) that wasn't picked up by a pre-sale main dealer inspection & service that nuvola had carried out. This isn't a slight on nuvola who footed the bill once informed so great credit to them, but I think your comment is a tad unreasonable and unsubstantiated as none of us know these cars well enough to pass comment.

Spot on.

 

[Fat Arnie]

I think that well known forum cars should have a premium, as they are known warts and all, usually well looked after, and the buyer knows exactly what he/she is getting. A car from another source no matter how good a reputation will always have an unknown factor, one that if it does rear it's head the more reputable of them should fix, but not always.

This well known car did not live up to its reputation when I bought it. After many hours work and research it is now even better than its reputation would suggest. (Apart from the loose headlight mounting that I will fix today.) It now has a proper stamped Maserati service book, and 2 keys, neither of which it had when Loz owned it. Keys, documents, missing spare and tools etc, are why Cat D's get devalued - not to mention the attrocious repairs that are carried out. I have first hand experience of a neigbour who bought a Cat D Peugeot 107 from a garage - looked ok from 20 feet, but a totally bodged repair. They spent the 20% saving getting it fixed properly.

Also important to remember that Cat D is also assigned to a car in a non fault accident if the owner rejects a repair. This is exactly what happened to the GS. It used to be known as "constructive write off" and is common practice on rarer more prestige cars like Maseratis.

 

[Fat Arnie]

On the plus a well known car high spec GS with some good after market mods on the negative a Cat D - On balance it should be at the lower end of the GS price band which it is. Allow for some negotiation I would say the price is there or there about especially if there is evidence of the Cat D before and after the repair.

Thank you zagatoes30. Common sense prevails. And of course I have the photos before so the relatively light extent of the damage can be verified.

 

[Fat Arnie]

The trade uses a 30% reduction in value on average for a CAT car over a non-CAT car. My brother has been in the trade for 20 years & I know that is the figure many in the trade use.

I think private punters undervalue the CAT reduction more like 10-20%. I agree pretty much with the trade at 25-30% as 10-20% is not enough. Whether the car is good or bad or perfectly as good as a non-CAT car doesn't come into it. It is the value of the vehicle in the market.

"The trade" really does not apply to cars like this. Period.

 

[mjheathcote]

The Maserati community is so small, and the number of cars available limited, you just can't hide especially if its a little out of the ordinary.
Probably easier to take off the AP brakes and Larini's, which would fetch good money, and just sell as an honest light cosmetically repaired GS at a good honest price. No one would blink an eye.
When I sold my S1 Elise 111s for the Maser, I stripped off all the goodies, got good money for these and the car as standard spec. Would have got less together. Many buyers prefer standard spec and then spend on them to their taste afterwards. Of course may be difficult if you don't have the original bits to refit.

 

[m1980k]

'The Maserati Community'



"Have you seen how much he's asking for his GranSport?"
"I know, for a Cat-D"
"Oooh, it's shocking, it is. I'm going to march right over there and give him a piece of my mind. And some advice, even though he clearly doesn't want it."

 

[BenjaminBraddock]

'The Maserati Community'

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"Have you seen how much he's asking for his GranSport?"
"I know, for a Cat-D"
"Oooh, it's shocking, it is. I'm going to march right over there and give him a piece of my mind. And some advice, even though he clearly doesn't want it."

Haha very apt and funny!

Although same can also be said for every forum I think.

 

[zagatoes30]

ROFL, SM Moderator meeting

 

[safrane]

Why is it a strong price? Its the cheapest one on PH.

It maybe the cheapest one on the web, I was considering putting mine up for sale at aprox £2500 less than a similar GS at a garage with the same miles and spec as mine. That would have come in at the same price as this GS, but mine as fewer miles, younger, and no damage history.

I hope it sells for that...and more...clearly I need to re value my own.

 

[allandwf]

It maybe the cheapest one on the web, I was considering putting mine up for sale at aprox £2500 less than a similar GS at a garage with the same miles and spec as mine. That would have come in at the same price as this GS, but mine as fewer miles, younger, and no damage history.

I hope it sells for that...and more...clearly I need to re value my own.

I think you do, GS prices definitely seem to have firmed up.

 

[CatmanV2]

I don't think the community is actually that small. How many of us have posted to the Maseratis spotted thread, and it's not someone on here. How many times have we spoken to fellow owners and they have no idea the forum actually exists? Silverstone Classic 2014, anyone?

*This* community is great, but active posters I reckon make up *stab in the dark* 1% of the Maserati owners in the country? We're only about 10% (if I recall) of members!

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[Andyk]

Andy K

So the AP brakes, Larinis, Formula Dynamics paddles etc are all worth 20-30% less than if fitted to a non cat car? Or in fact nothing because that Nuvola car has all these too?? And of course the Nuvola has the added value of being plastered with Tech Cloth all over the inside. Lovely if you like that sort of thing.

I can't wait for your car to come up for sale

Arnie, no offence meant...Your car is lovely but I still maintain that a cat car will always be worth less no matter what is on it.....but as I said it is a great car and I really hope you get what you want for it..

 

[allandwf]

Petrolheads and enthusiasts will find the forum, those for whom it is just a car will stick it in a garage when it stops working and not see the point or necessity of a forum.

 

[CatmanV2]

I think you dropped this

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[Andyk]

Andy I think we sometimes need to be a little careful in singing praises for cars for sale from certain sources - a friend of mine bought from nuvola only to discover a serious issue (identified by Giallo) that wasn't picked up by a pre-sale main dealer inspection & service that nuvola had carried out. This isn't a slight on nuvola who footed the bill once informed so great credit to them, but I think your comment is a tad unreasonable and unsubstantiated as none of us know these cars well enough to pass comment.

I have nothing but respect for Nuvola...the dealings I have had with them has been top notch along with many members....So I am speaking from my experience. I am sorry your friends experience was not the same.

I think there is a misunderstanding here....I am not saying anything about the condition of Arnies car or the Nuvola one....It is just fact that a cat car is worth less money than one that isn't a cat.........That is just fact so I would say it is substantiated......Arnies car is in great condition and I am sure knowing Nareman his is as well...

 

[m1980k]

I can see myself spending £8-10k on exhaust, brake and suspension mods over the next few years. If there was a car of the same spec, condition and mileage as mine but it already had the mods, would I pay a premium for it? Yes I bloody well would!