New Development Project

[rockits]

Just been told of a great resource for checking out old maps with late 19th to mid 60's in some detail.

http://maps.nls.uk/os/6inch-england-and-wales/

Interesting to see the fact that there were 2 dwellings at the top of the 2 acre plot in 1878. We knew this but this shows the fact. Also showing our cottage there which we know was built circa 300-400 years ago. It was the first and only dwelling in that area at that point it was built. Three of my four neighbours didn't exist back then and only one did in 1878.

Very interesting to see.

 

[rockits]

Get a planning consultant. Preferably one that has worked for the local planning department in the past. It'll be worth every penny.

Thanks AV. Just been given the details for one so hopefully he will be the man to take the project on to fruition.

 

[bigbob]

Speak to your neighbours and say if planning is unsuccessful you may consider letting the local gypos to use it for a car boot every Sunday.

You won't get any objections then believe me.

LOL I sometimes miss living in the south east.

 

[Evo Cymru]

Fairly easy answer to that one....they don't seem to want to build anything. The default answer is no really from the parish and we have a local greenbelt society guy always knocking on our door to make us aware of other projects that they always seem to oppose.

Being in a very technical industry and being a technical person one angle I have in my armoury is that I would make sure that any dwelling is 100% zero carbon. This is now quite possible and not just a pipe dream any more. In my eyes the site and project is a win win all round with no discernible downsides or impacts to others. There would be more tons more trees planted with none removed. It would be a much better use of the site for all. Much better than having 2 acres of greenhouses, barns or car storage that I would quite alright to do with no planning issue at all. It is possible that it could be a 2 acre site for storage of RV's etc. or maybe even the travelling community would be interested.

How much space do you need for a Go Kart track?!

Hi there,

Interesting thread as my brother and I are looking at something similar with a piece of land we have.

Anyway I'm surprised the about parish council - I know our local one has been told to find 13% more space for future development. That may be just our county but I know the country as whole is short. Worth looking online at the parish council planning err 'plan' as I think most have to have one in place now for the next 5 years or so...

 

[Scaf]

I'll watch your progress with interest as my sister is in a very similar position (Chipperfield) she does have outbuilding in position but the land is designated paddock land which is restrictive.

By the way, I am sure you found the remnants of the original buildings last time you mowed that but of land, you need to go to the salvage yard and then take another look !

 

[Ewan]

If the land is not inside the official village curtilage and/or designated for development, I'd expect it to be very tough to obtain planning. Certainly that would be the case here in North Dorset. I sit on my local council and a well known local developer was refused permission for 6 houses on a two acre plot in my village, on the basis that he could not prove a requirement for the houses in this particular village, and the land was not inside the village curtilage (although by looking on a map you would think that it would be).

It's not just a case of a Council needing to build houses to meet general County-wide demand, you need to show that the demand is highly local (and that support in terms of jobs, infrastructure, etc is there as well). If you have two rural acres in greenbelt, I think you'll struggle. In fact, it can be hard just to get change-of-use from agriculture (i.e. a field) to garden. If you mow a field too neatly/often (so that it effectively becomes a garden), even that can go against planning/land-use laws.

Chat to your neighbours then chat to your Council.

 

[rockits]

I'll watch your progress with interest as my sister is in a very similar position (Chipperfield) she does have outbuilding in position but the land is designated paddock land which is restrictive.

By the way, I am sure you found the remnants of the original buildings last time you mowed that but of land, you need to go to the salvage yard and then take another look !

Thanks. I know what you mean. I have found lots of existing remnants of all sorts of stuff in the ground when mowing. I whole field of 2 acres worth of nurseries leaves a lot behind.

 

[rockits]

If the land is not inside the official village curtilage and/or designated for development, I'd expect it to be very tough to obtain planning. Certainly that would be the case here in North Dorset. I sit on my local council and a well known local developer was refused permission for 6 houses on a two acre plot in my village, on the basis that he could not prove a requirement for the houses in this particular village, and the land was not inside the village curtilage (although by looking on a map you would think that it would be).

It's not just a case of a Council needing to build houses to meet general County-wide demand, you need to show that the demand is highly local (and that support in terms of jobs, infrastructure, etc is there as well). If you have two rural acres in greenbelt, I think you'll struggle. In fact, it can be hard just to get change-of-use from agriculture (i.e. a field) to garden. If you mow a field too neatly/often (so that it effectively becomes a garden), even that can go against planning/land-use laws.

Chat to your neighbours then chat to your Council.

Thanks for the info Ewan. I am not really doing this to make money just to build a house for ourselves to live in that is a bit bigger and more functional than our existing 300-400 year old cottage. The option to build more is an option and also could be built for family members to live close by and give them something they can afford. It is in our garden effectively and bang in-between two existing plots/dwellings of my neighbours. I am not a developer doing this for money and live here and want to stay living here really. Just seems a pointless waste of land that is not being used for anything of useful merit. It is not even a green space you can see walking or driving past but you would see it from the air I guess!

I will see if I can pop up a pic to detail the space, the neighbours and before/after so people can visualise.

 

[rockits]

Right here goes. I have a fairly current overhead shot of our house/land and the immediate area next to a survey map from 1873>1879.




I have tried to outline badly the boundaries of our plot on both the old and new map. The green dot shows our cottage. On the old map you can see two other buildings dwellings that are no longer there to the same degree or extent. All my neighbours, the nursery a bit away and everything on the new map was never there in 1878 or anywhere close. The nursery was built started with an associated house maybe 40-50 years ago max. The other 3 houses the West, South West and East of ours were also never there so built in the last 100 years.

Our cottage with green dot sits on the 0.5 acre bit with the 2 acre attached land as the rectangle strip to the right hand side marked out with the red or white lines. I hope that helps to visualise it better. There is access to the lane at the top/North side right in the middle of the 2 acre bit and also at the very bottom/South in the middle. It gives access to both highways so if it were divided into 2 x 1 acre plots each would have their own highway access uninterrupted and not interfering with anyone else.

The closest neighbour and the one that will be affected the most will actually be ourselves.