Vehicle tampering petition

2b1ask1

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To all those that have signed either petition, thank you and well done. You may have had a response from the goverment that reads as follows

Read it and WOW that's a lot of BS... There is already sufficient legislation in place to cover this as well as sensing equipment in place to identify polluting vehicles, particularly in central London about 5-years ago. It was largely put out of use because it was primarily catching busses and old London taxis!
 

Felonious Crud

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Read it and WOW that's a lot of BS... There is already sufficient legislation in place to cover this as well as sensing equipment in place to identify polluting vehicles, particularly in central London about 5-years ago. It was largely put out of use because it was primarily catching busses and old London taxis!
Yeah, it's ****, Newton. Also a slippery slope to far greater governance of what is and isn't ok, especially given how loosely 'safety' could be defined. Using after-market brake pads (even if they are better), for example.
 

Felonious Crud

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Update. Of a sort.

You’re receiving this email because you signed this petition: “Do not implement proposed new offences for vehicle "tampering"”.
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Dear ****,
You recently signed the petition “Do not implement proposed new offences for vehicle "tampering"”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/600954
The MPs on the Petitions Committee have scheduled a debate on a petition relating to the Government's proposals to create new offences of vehicle 'tampering', which you may have signed. The debate will be held on Monday 25 April.
Watch the debate (from 4.30pm, Mon 25 April):
Read the debate transcript (available within a few hours of the debate ending): https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-04-25
Nick Fletcher MP, a member of the Petitions Committee, has been asked by the Committee to open the debate. MPs from all parties can take part, and a minister from the Department for Transport will respond for the Government.
Share your views with MPs
To inform the debate, Nick Fletcher would like to hear your views on the Government's plans, and what else they should be doing on this issue.
Share your views by completing this short survey: https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/V6ND30/
The survey will remain open until 9am on Monday 11 April.
Your responses will be anonymous. A summary of responses will be shared with Nick and other MPs, and may be referred to in the debate. It will also be published on the Committee's website here: https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/326/petitions-committee/publications/written-evidence/.
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Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
 

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You’re receiving this email because you signed this petition: “Do not implement proposed new offences for vehicle "tampering"”.
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Dear xxx,

You recently signed the petition “Do not implement proposed new offences for vehicle "tampering"”:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/600954

On Monday 25 April, MPs took part in a debate on vehicle tampering offences, prompted by a petition you signed. The debate was opened by Petitions Committee member Nick Fletcher MP, and Transport Minister Trudy Harrison MP responded for the Government.

Watch the debate:
Read the transcript: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commo...B4-89E8-1728DFD5F3EE/VehicleTamperingOffences

Read House of Commons Library research on this issue: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2022-0078

Opening the debate, Nick Fletcher set out petitioners' concerns, and called on the Government to make sure the proposed new laws are clear about what is meant by 'tampering'. He also said the Government must take steps to ensure the motorsport and classic car sectors are not harmed by these proposals.
Responding to the debate, Transport Minister Trudy Harrison sought to reassure petitioners that the Government does not intend its proposals to prevent legitimate motorsport activities, restoration, repairs or legitimate improvements to vehicles such as classic cars and motorbikes. The Minister said more detail on its plans would be set out in the Government's formal response to its consultation on the Future of Transport, which she said will be published "in the summer".

How petitioners said the proposed offences would affect them
Ahead of the debate, the Committee ran a survey of petitioners asking how these proposed new offences would affect them. We received over 5,600 responses, and a summary was shared with MPs ahead of the debate. Thanks to everyone who took part!

Watch a short video summarising the key findings from the survey:

Read a full summary of what petitioners told us: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/107864/default/

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Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
 

Ryandoc

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So that’s just feedback but no decision made yet?

I swear the fun is being sucked out of life in every direction you turn!!
 

CatmanV2

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Nah, it's fine. MOTs might become bi-annual. You can get your kicks dodging people whose cars are falling apart

C
 

Zep

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Nah, it's fine. MOTs might become bi-annual. You can get your kicks dodging people whose cars are falling apart

C

I saw this and actually laughed. Imagine the meeting, "What can we do for people who can't afford heat and food at the same time?" "What about making MOTs on the cars they don't own every other year?" "Brilliant, put that out on Twitter"
 

CatmanV2

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What's Twitter do? I only just found out about Facebook a few weeks ago!

Dave

Basically it forces any nuanced discussion to be reduced in depth to a meme devoid of any real debatable worth. Thus fuelling group polarisation and human unhappiness

C
 
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