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Oh dear...they were on last night........as they were a discounted item, maybe just end of offer.......even put back up at full price might be a saving to be made.......leave it with me!
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3200/4200 Brake Discs a possible solution...
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Oh dear...they were on last night........as they were a discounted item, maybe just end of offer.......even put back up at full price might be a saving to be made.......leave it with me!
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Take II................
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Brake-D...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6428859754696413784
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rear-Brake-Di...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6428873421015446174
Same price....
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Brake-D...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6428859754696413784
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rear-Brake-Di...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6428873421015446174
Same price....
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Must be then......I didn't specify which brakes discs I was on about, ie they use Mintex or brembo for all their brakes......but all looking good Conaero....
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Brake System - Brake Disc - DDF1074 FRONT ( fits the models below)
FERRARI
5__ MARANELLO
kW/HP
550 357/486 09/96
575 M 380/515 04/02
550 BARCHETTA
kW/HP
5.5 357/486 10/00
Brake System - Brake Disc - DDF1075 ( REAR)
FERRARI
5__ MARANELLO
kW/HP
550 357/486 09/96
575 M 380/515 04/02
550 BARCHETTA
kW/HP
5.5 357/486 10/00
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Make sure that if you are purchasing 550 discs other than the Brembo ones/part numbers I fitted to my car, that they are indeed the same dimensions, my research only relates to Brembo 550 discs. Other makes may not be identical in every respect and you would therefore need to physically check dimensions before fitting non Brembo brand discs to be on the safe side.
Cheers
James
Cheers
James
So, having been away for a few days its time to sort out the front brakes before the dreaded MOT! I just want to add my thanks to MaseratiV8 for his excellent research and add (in my 100% un-qualified opinion) that I agree that the 550 discs are a match. For anyone who still needs persuading, or who has just joined the thread, here is my reasoning:
There has previously been much talk about the Ferrari 456 discs, but these are not perfect for 3 main reasons, as points out:
1) They are not drilled
2) The bell flange thickness is 8mm. As MaseratiV8 confirms with his measurements it should be 7mm. This would have the effect of putting the wheel 1mm further out!
3) Some people have questioned the offset which would put the disc slightly off centre between the pads in the caliper (although the drawings show this to be the same on both discs)
So through lots of maseratiV8s hard work we have now come to the 550 discs:-
1) They are drilled (and very nicely too!)
2) The bell flange thickness is the correct 7mm.
3) MaseratiV8 has measured the offset and it matches, and to verify his measuring skills it ties in with the drawings!
The only difference between the 2 discs that has not been confirmed (unless anyone can tell us differently) is the internal diameter of the 'bell' on the 456 disc is 163mm and and the 550 disc is 164mm. Not knowing which is the correct measurement for the 32/4200 I am assuming that as everything else matches on the 550 disc, that this is the correct measurement. That and the fact that that MaseratiV8 had no problems fitting it, and that Deano has also fitted it to a 3200 as well.
For anyone who needs it, the drawing for the wrong F456 disc are at http://bremboaftermarket.com/En/Car_Disc_Catalogue/Catalogue_Detail.aspx?ModelIDMaster=13888
and the correct F550 disc is at http://bremboaftermarket.com/En/Car_Disc_Catalogue/Catalogue_Detail.aspx?ModelIDMaster=13894
Why am I saying all this? Well, following Maserati v8s initial post I had been looking into brakes international ( brakesint.co.uk) >They list a disc for the 3200 as their part number BDS5672, but as has been pointed out this is also the part number they list for the 456. For the 550 they list part number BDS5670 which is £78.69 +VAT= £94.43. I have been in touch with them and they have sent me the technical drawings for them.... and they are the brembo drawings from the links above with the titles removed! I will speak to them tomorrow to confirm that they are Brembo, and not a pattern match that has just copied the drawings too!
So I too am sure that the Brembo 09.68020.20 discs, Ferrari Part no 169765 is the correct OEM front disc.
I see Belfast Brakes are researching the Ferodo disc, DDF1074. The only picture I can find for that disc suggests it may not be drilled, but pictures are not always correct. Details of the Ferodo range for the 550 are here :
http://www.fmecat.eu/selProd2.asp?prdgrp=2&langID=1&engseal=0
but clicking on the link does not provide sufficient detail to confirm another match. (Federal Mogul seem to be a parent company for ferodo).
Exploring that site and
http://www.ferodoracing.com/catalogue/detail_car_tuning.php?code=FDS998&cat=brake_pads
has suggested the following 'specification matches' that may be usefull, which Im sure have already been posted somewhere!
Front discs for F550: Brembo 09.68020.20, Ferrari 169765, Ferrodo DDF1074, Necto WN1138
Front Pads for M3200: Brembo 07.8301.66, Mintex MDB1752, Ferrodo FDB998 FDS998 or FQT998 (depending on compound)
I cannot categorically confirm the matches above, but they seem to be correct (if you believe the manufacturers!)
However, Like parisien I will be following in MaseratiV8s footsteps and getting the Brembo discs tommorrow!
I'll just end by thanking everyone who has helped get to where we are, and point out again that I am not a mechanic, have nothing to do with the motor trade, and I'm happy to be corrected!
Floon
There has previously been much talk about the Ferrari 456 discs, but these are not perfect for 3 main reasons, as points out:
1) They are not drilled
2) The bell flange thickness is 8mm. As MaseratiV8 confirms with his measurements it should be 7mm. This would have the effect of putting the wheel 1mm further out!
3) Some people have questioned the offset which would put the disc slightly off centre between the pads in the caliper (although the drawings show this to be the same on both discs)
So through lots of maseratiV8s hard work we have now come to the 550 discs:-
1) They are drilled (and very nicely too!)
2) The bell flange thickness is the correct 7mm.
3) MaseratiV8 has measured the offset and it matches, and to verify his measuring skills it ties in with the drawings!
The only difference between the 2 discs that has not been confirmed (unless anyone can tell us differently) is the internal diameter of the 'bell' on the 456 disc is 163mm and and the 550 disc is 164mm. Not knowing which is the correct measurement for the 32/4200 I am assuming that as everything else matches on the 550 disc, that this is the correct measurement. That and the fact that that MaseratiV8 had no problems fitting it, and that Deano has also fitted it to a 3200 as well.
For anyone who needs it, the drawing for the wrong F456 disc are at http://bremboaftermarket.com/En/Car_Disc_Catalogue/Catalogue_Detail.aspx?ModelIDMaster=13888
and the correct F550 disc is at http://bremboaftermarket.com/En/Car_Disc_Catalogue/Catalogue_Detail.aspx?ModelIDMaster=13894
Why am I saying all this? Well, following Maserati v8s initial post I had been looking into brakes international ( brakesint.co.uk) >They list a disc for the 3200 as their part number BDS5672, but as has been pointed out this is also the part number they list for the 456. For the 550 they list part number BDS5670 which is £78.69 +VAT= £94.43. I have been in touch with them and they have sent me the technical drawings for them.... and they are the brembo drawings from the links above with the titles removed! I will speak to them tomorrow to confirm that they are Brembo, and not a pattern match that has just copied the drawings too!
So I too am sure that the Brembo 09.68020.20 discs, Ferrari Part no 169765 is the correct OEM front disc.
I see Belfast Brakes are researching the Ferodo disc, DDF1074. The only picture I can find for that disc suggests it may not be drilled, but pictures are not always correct. Details of the Ferodo range for the 550 are here :
http://www.fmecat.eu/selProd2.asp?prdgrp=2&langID=1&engseal=0
but clicking on the link does not provide sufficient detail to confirm another match. (Federal Mogul seem to be a parent company for ferodo).
Exploring that site and
http://www.ferodoracing.com/catalogue/detail_car_tuning.php?code=FDS998&cat=brake_pads
has suggested the following 'specification matches' that may be usefull, which Im sure have already been posted somewhere!
Front discs for F550: Brembo 09.68020.20, Ferrari 169765, Ferrodo DDF1074, Necto WN1138
Front Pads for M3200: Brembo 07.8301.66, Mintex MDB1752, Ferrodo FDB998 FDS998 or FQT998 (depending on compound)
I cannot categorically confirm the matches above, but they seem to be correct (if you believe the manufacturers!)
However, Like parisien I will be following in MaseratiV8s footsteps and getting the Brembo discs tommorrow!
I'll just end by thanking everyone who has helped get to where we are, and point out again that I am not a mechanic, have nothing to do with the motor trade, and I'm happy to be corrected!
Floon
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Well guys hats off to you all on this forum for your intensive research and enthusiasm.
Ive been on the spanners for over 30 years and im constanly amazed at the knowledge you guys have.
When mine need doing this info is good enough for me and would of saved the previous owner of my car 2k.
Sports Maserati Forum the best in the world.
Phil.
Ive been on the spanners for over 30 years and im constanly amazed at the knowledge you guys have.
When mine need doing this info is good enough for me and would of saved the previous owner of my car 2k.
Sports Maserati Forum the best in the world.
Phil.
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oppologise's if repeating what has previously been posted,but due to the amount of replies ive got lost with them,
I can confirm that brakes international at rochdale can supply ferrari 550 maranello rear discs,at £62.42 each,these are genuine Brembo,cross drilled and vented,
I can confirm that brakes international at rochdale can supply ferrari 550 maranello rear discs,at £62.42 each,these are genuine Brembo,cross drilled and vented,
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front discs are £78.69 each +vat,though did not enquire if these were brembo,but assume they are,
http://www.brakesint.co.uk/index.html
http://www.brakesint.co.uk/index.html
I have finally ordered the front pads and discs for the 3200, but first a bit more info:
The ebay link that parisien (I think) posted:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Brake-D...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6428859754696413784
Is actually the same company that Matt and Parisien have also posted:
http://www.apbrakediscs.co.uk/front-brembo-brake-discs-ferrari-550-maranello-96-to-02.html
Having telephoned them they stated that (as they had to Parisien) that the ebay discs could be brembo or mintex, depending on what they had in stock. If I def wanted Brembo they directed me to their apbrakediscs.co.uk site. I have not been able to find a reference for a mintex disc anywhere. The ebay listing states 2 days delivery, but they quoted 'up to a week' on the phone. The website states 3-5 days.
I have been dealing with brakes international who have been very helpful. They have confirmed that their BDS5670 part is the Brembo 09.68020.20, listed on their site under the ferrari 550. They have also confirmed that their BPS2359 pad is the mintex pad, the BPC2359 is the mintex race pad, and the BPX2359 is an apec pad. All the p[ads are on their site under the 3200. They are out of stock of the discs, but have arranged for Brembo to send a pair to me direct in 48hrs. This means Brembo Uk only have 1 pair in stock now.
brakes Int. have been excellent. So matt, thanks again for all your work in the first place and for suggesting them! £230 for front discs and pads inc delivery and VAT.
As the discs are coming direct from Brembo, you never know I may be able to procure a contact there that can sort us a
good deal!
Floon
The ebay link that parisien (I think) posted:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Front-Brake-D...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6428859754696413784
Is actually the same company that Matt and Parisien have also posted:
http://www.apbrakediscs.co.uk/front-brembo-brake-discs-ferrari-550-maranello-96-to-02.html
Having telephoned them they stated that (as they had to Parisien) that the ebay discs could be brembo or mintex, depending on what they had in stock. If I def wanted Brembo they directed me to their apbrakediscs.co.uk site. I have not been able to find a reference for a mintex disc anywhere. The ebay listing states 2 days delivery, but they quoted 'up to a week' on the phone. The website states 3-5 days.
I have been dealing with brakes international who have been very helpful. They have confirmed that their BDS5670 part is the Brembo 09.68020.20, listed on their site under the ferrari 550. They have also confirmed that their BPS2359 pad is the mintex pad, the BPC2359 is the mintex race pad, and the BPX2359 is an apec pad. All the p[ads are on their site under the 3200. They are out of stock of the discs, but have arranged for Brembo to send a pair to me direct in 48hrs. This means Brembo Uk only have 1 pair in stock now.
brakes Int. have been excellent. So matt, thanks again for all your work in the first place and for suggesting them! £230 for front discs and pads inc delivery and VAT.
As the discs are coming direct from Brembo, you never know I may be able to procure a contact there that can sort us a
good deal!
Floon
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