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Motorsport3

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I'm more on the Jay Leno's club. I don't need a certification for a car I own that tells me it's the car I own. I understand the need if we were talking million+ cars but don't see the point for QPs, GTSs , Biturbos etc..
 
Felonious Crud

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lozcb said:
There,s a price to pay to be a club within a club , nobody said it was cheap , I think we ought to start our own certification .......it would have more meaning and relevancy here in the UK to potential buyers , now thats the sort of badge I could wear
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Good idea.

"Is my car in any way non-standard or otherwise obnoxious?"
"Yes. Have a certificate. That'll be a fiver and a bottle of gin."
"Ta."

@conaero some homework for you, design a SportsItalia (also soon a SportsBritannia) Certificate of Non-Compliance.
 
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allandwf

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It's probably aimed more at the cars up to and including the 70s, or those of collectors, not us mere mortals who use them.
 
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del mar 2 said:
What would you hope to achieve by this ?

These are 20 plus year old cars now, which have had limited spares availability for years. They ran out of Cup exhausts years ago so i am guessing mine would fail straight away. Meridian Modena had no lambda sensors or oil filters

What are they hoping to prove with an Oil Analysis and combustion chamber check ?
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The uk market is quite specific, with very low prices compared to the rest of Europe, but when you see recent valuations for a cup or a shamal (even for an assetto corsa), it could make sense. If you're ready to part with more than 100k€ for a shamal, I'm sure that, if you have the choice, you'll be ready to add 10k€ to secure a "certified" one.
 
Ewan

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They’ve recently opened it up to cars over just 20 years old. So suddenly, cars such as my QP IV now qualify. And of course, it’s far cheaper for a car like this than, say, a Ghibli.
 
Marco07

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Here’s what I think about this.



I think it excellent that Maserati have decided to follow the example of other manufacturers and offer this Classiche certification service. I’m not daft and I appreciate that they are doing this to make money. However, it shows respect and appreciation for their history, and I think it is good that they want to engage with owners of their older cars. The fact that they are trying to include relatively recent models of car is a really encouraging sign. At least it is to me but reading some comments on here some people seem to be much more pessimistic and quite judgey about peoples motives for being interested in this.



At about £2k I don’t think it is a huge amount of money so long as it passes certification. We are all in different financial situations so we can each decide whether its money well spent or not. If I did it I would definitely hope the car would pass but would be staggered if it added £2k to the value. As Ewan says, it’s not about that.



Personally, I am undecided, mainly because it won’t change the way I feel about my cars. The Biturbos were not well put together and although they are a hoot to drive I, like many other owners, have had to make a fair few modifications to make mine reliable. I don’t think it should be marked down for that, but I bet it would be!
 
Marco07

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One more thing. Maserati have studied photos of my car and despite all the mods I have symapthetically made, and which can be reversed, the only 2 items they would want changing are, a) the steering wheel should not (aparently) be a MOMO wooden one, and b) the exhaust should be steel and not stainless steel. This is because they say it changes the original exhaust note of the car. They are not bothered that it isn't the original exhaust because they know they are no longer available. I find that a very good reason on their part. They want the car to give the same drivers experience as it originally did, albeit without braking down every 500 miles!

Standing by to be shot down.
 
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general_piffle

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Marco07 said:
I’ve driven to Modena in my Biturbo twice already so would just deliver it, enjoy yet another factory tour, and fly home.

But I’ve upgraded so many parts that I’d need to talk with them first to make sure I’m not wasting my time. As you say, it’s not about adding value especially but it would be a great thing to do.

I wonder if they have a scale of charges for different models? I suspect they do.

Let me know what you decide, Ewan.
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This is what I'd be concerned about, so for example the fuel pressure regulator on my Ghibli II gave up and after searching for a couple of months digitally around the world in all the usual places I kept drawing blanks. They're just impossible to find. So I bought a (probably much better) new regulator, which looks almost identical - but is not original.

Also, my back boxes started blowing a few years ago. So, I replaced them with pattern (originals not available) parts, actually made out of better (thicker) steel from Germany. In an effort to keep the car as original as possible I didn't even go the 'stick in a stainless exhaust route'.

However, if you're going to be a total pedant the car is not original. And due to a lack of parts availability it probably never will be. The question is, for Maserati Classiche Certification would this matter? Because if it would then there's no real point in trying...

Perhaps some clarification from them on these details, before pressing ahead?
 
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Maserati Classiche - Classic cars | Maserati UK

Maserati promotes the authenticity of its Maserati Classiche through certification and restoration. Discover all the services for Maserati classic cars.
www.maserati.com www.maserati.com

Parts​

For the first time developed and supplied by Maserati. One of the purposes of the Maserati Classiche department is to start providing spare parts that are no longer available on the market. We start with key selected components, made accordingly to the original designs, using the best technologies of today improving the reliability and functionality of the spare parts without alternating its aesthetic appearance.

Eb
 
Marco07

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general_piffle said:
This is what I'd be concerned about, so for example the fuel pressure regulator on my Ghibli II gave up and after searching for a couple of months digitally around the world in all the usual places I kept drawing blanks. They're just impossible to find. So I bought a (probably much better) new regulator, which looks almost identical - but is not original.

Also, my back boxes started blowing a few years ago. So, I replaced them with pattern (originals not available) parts, actually made out of better (thicker) steel from Germany. In an effort to keep the car as original as possible I didn't even go the 'stick in a stainless exhaust route'.

However, if you're going to be a total pedant the car is not original. And due to a lack of parts availability it probably never will be. The question is, for Maserati Classiche Certification would this matter? Because if it would then there's no real point in trying...

Perhaps some clarification from them on these details, before pressing ahead?
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I’m no expert on this but from my conversations with them I’d be staggered if that prevented you from acquiring the certification.
 
Phil H

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Ebenezer said:

Maserati Classiche - Classic cars | Maserati UK

Maserati promotes the authenticity of its Maserati Classiche through certification and restoration. Discover all the services for Maserati classic cars.
www.maserati.com www.maserati.com

Parts​

For the first time developed and supplied by Maserati. One of the purposes of the Maserati Classiche department is to start providing spare parts that are no longer available on the market. We start with key selected components, made accordingly to the original designs, using the best technologies of today improving the reliability and functionality of the spare parts without alternating its aesthetic appearance.

Eb
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Hoisted by their own petard. If a part is 'using the best technologies of today improving the reliability of the spare parts' then they cannot be to the original spec - so must be disqualified from full certification.

I cite the case of Hocus Pocus v Sanity and Logic, and rest my case m'lud.
 
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Phil H said:
Hoisted by their own petard. If a part is 'using the best technologies of today improving the reliability of the spare parts' then they cannot be to the original spec - so must be disqualified from full certification.

I cite the case of Hocus Pocus v Sanity and Logic, and rest my case m'lud.
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Pretty sure in that case Hocus Pocus carried the day, no?
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midlifecrisis

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I think much of the derision amongst many here is that Maserati have finally woken up that their cars last more than 3 years and that we like to keep them in fine fettle.

Certification has to be a long term product and not just a whim of the Maserati marketing department.
 
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