He came to us and other negs from other agents were telling us hes a t0sser as he wound up a few people from haarts....dont know why we employed him....
******* ******* **** face ******* of a boss!!
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He came to us and other negs from other agents were telling us hes a t0sser as he wound up a few people from haarts....dont know why we employed him....
Chrisbassett
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What an ar5e! Good luck with it all, Dem. I'm sure you'll get what's right and he'll get what's coming to him. His boss should be all over him for behaving like that and possibly putting the company in a compromising position, if he's given the chance...
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Look on the plus side Dem, you've now got some industry experience which will make getting the next job easier.
First jobs in new lines of work always suck to some extent. My first IT job paid 4.75 an hour and I spent half the time making coffee for my 'boss'. Surprised he didn't ask me to wear a skirt.
First jobs in new lines of work always suck to some extent. My first IT job paid 4.75 an hour and I spent half the time making coffee for my 'boss'. Surprised he didn't ask me to wear a skirt.
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Dem that's really shoddy treatment. I echo Franks comments, don't just use any solicitor, find an employment law specialist as they will be on top of the issues and be best positioned to write a persuasive letter and hopefully settle outside the courts. Once your in Court you lose control ofthe agenda.
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Dem gutted for you Mate.......From someone who dismisses I would say he can not just do what he has done.....If there is no job for you as he is cutting back then he is making you redundent and as such needs to do this properly............Sounds very unfair to me and you should be able to give him some pain by challenging.....
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Not with your legs Pat!
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Dem,
What can I say mate, I am gutted for you..!! As we have all said this guy knows nothing and seems to be bent on bringing the company down to be a mino in the market, you don't want to be part of a company sliding down hill. I know you did not want to leave as you felt safe, but this guy has done this all the wrong way, as expected. You have an excellent case against the company, go for the throat, no deals and don't back off. It is probably the best thing that could have happened, I know you don't think so now, but you will as time goes on. Staying with this company with this guy in control was doomed to fail and you are best out of it. Pity you lost the other chances, but put yourself back out there straight away, you did it once, you can do it again.
Make sure you have all your records of pay and commission ready for inspection, along with your contract. Try and put all the sales that you can remember down on paper for each month you were there, so that anyone can see your performance. The company will probably try and cook the sales records as soon as they know you are coming after them, so get as much info together as you can. Put a portrayal of the rest of the staff in the office together, timekeeping, sales performance etc., so that you can prove who was actually doing what should be done. Don't sign anything from the company, accept any payments they send you on a provisional basis only and keep copies of everything.
I am almost as angry as you are at this ar5ehole, he now really does deserve everything you can throw at him. See if he is on facebook, it's surprising what people will let slip..??
Keep well and chin up mate..!!
Cheers
R
What can I say mate, I am gutted for you..!! As we have all said this guy knows nothing and seems to be bent on bringing the company down to be a mino in the market, you don't want to be part of a company sliding down hill. I know you did not want to leave as you felt safe, but this guy has done this all the wrong way, as expected. You have an excellent case against the company, go for the throat, no deals and don't back off. It is probably the best thing that could have happened, I know you don't think so now, but you will as time goes on. Staying with this company with this guy in control was doomed to fail and you are best out of it. Pity you lost the other chances, but put yourself back out there straight away, you did it once, you can do it again.
Make sure you have all your records of pay and commission ready for inspection, along with your contract. Try and put all the sales that you can remember down on paper for each month you were there, so that anyone can see your performance. The company will probably try and cook the sales records as soon as they know you are coming after them, so get as much info together as you can. Put a portrayal of the rest of the staff in the office together, timekeeping, sales performance etc., so that you can prove who was actually doing what should be done. Don't sign anything from the company, accept any payments they send you on a provisional basis only and keep copies of everything.
I am almost as angry as you are at this ar5ehole, he now really does deserve everything you can throw at him. See if he is on facebook, it's surprising what people will let slip..??
Keep well and chin up mate..!!
Cheers
R
Hes on facebook and im monitoring him through another account.....
I have made a call to a solicitor that came highly recommended and im meeting with her on mon....from what i told her she says i have a good case to get something and the best thing to do is settle out of court.
Now im making calls to the recruitment company....
Just didnt need this **** early in the year after mentally i made a decision and looked forward to the year ahead!!
I have made a call to a solicitor that came highly recommended and im meeting with her on mon....from what i told her she says i have a good case to get something and the best thing to do is settle out of court.
Now im making calls to the recruitment company....
Just didnt need this **** early in the year after mentally i made a decision and looked forward to the year ahead!!
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This.
Some good advice here. One lesson I've learned is be very wary of opinions of those who's income depends on what they tell you. Recruitment consultants, estate agents (sorry), solicitors.....they are not always as impartial or honest as you mght like.
Good luck, whatever you choose to do.
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This may seem a contrite thing to say but it is meant only to help...
This was your destiny. Life throws these situations at us to challenge us and for us to prove we can overcome them. It's easy to be angered by the incompetence and complete and utter disregard of others but you have to always look to how you can positively move on from your situation.
Lengthy law battles will add an ongoing sourness to your life that, while on a conscious level you may/will not see it, will deeply affect your unconscious mood and will serve only to hinder your efforts moving forward. This idiot has given you a new path... look to it with optimism at this relevant time of year
New opportunities are out there!
Good luck.
This was your destiny. Life throws these situations at us to challenge us and for us to prove we can overcome them. It's easy to be angered by the incompetence and complete and utter disregard of others but you have to always look to how you can positively move on from your situation.
Lengthy law battles will add an ongoing sourness to your life that, while on a conscious level you may/will not see it, will deeply affect your unconscious mood and will serve only to hinder your efforts moving forward. This idiot has given you a new path... look to it with optimism at this relevant time of year
New opportunities are out there!Good luck.
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Dem,
I'm sorry to hear this.
It feels like déja vu all over again for me: I left my previous employer because they wanted to renegotiate my bonus structure retrospectively to avoid paying a healthy bonus which was due. It was clearly constructive dismissal and I took advice from a barrister friend who specialises in contract law. I still remember his initial assessment after I laid the facts before him. His point was there are some sums not worth fighting for and there are others which are. In my particular case he felt it was worth the fight. He passed me onto his personal solicitors and as it was a fairly black and white matter with the employer being clearly in the wrong we managed to reach a negotiated settlement quickly.
But Dan's point stands. Had the sums involved been any smaller I'm sure he would have advised me to walk away. If you take this geezer to tribunal you will probably win but what will you win? It won't be mega-bucks. More likely he will be compelled to offer you your job back but the atmosphere in the office will be awful and doubtless he will put so many hurdles in your way that you won't be able to earn any commissions. This would be pretty much a lose/lose situation: it will take you much anguish and stress to "win" and you will be no better off financially.
I think I would be inclined to walk away.
Remember the best revenge is success. You are obviously good at your job; just apply yourself and look forward to the day you come across him in the future when you will doubtless be successful and he'll still be a mediocre non-entity.
Good luck mate.
I'm sorry to hear this.
It feels like déja vu all over again for me: I left my previous employer because they wanted to renegotiate my bonus structure retrospectively to avoid paying a healthy bonus which was due. It was clearly constructive dismissal and I took advice from a barrister friend who specialises in contract law. I still remember his initial assessment after I laid the facts before him. His point was there are some sums not worth fighting for and there are others which are. In my particular case he felt it was worth the fight. He passed me onto his personal solicitors and as it was a fairly black and white matter with the employer being clearly in the wrong we managed to reach a negotiated settlement quickly.
But Dan's point stands. Had the sums involved been any smaller I'm sure he would have advised me to walk away. If you take this geezer to tribunal you will probably win but what will you win? It won't be mega-bucks. More likely he will be compelled to offer you your job back but the atmosphere in the office will be awful and doubtless he will put so many hurdles in your way that you won't be able to earn any commissions. This would be pretty much a lose/lose situation: it will take you much anguish and stress to "win" and you will be no better off financially.
I think I would be inclined to walk away.
Remember the best revenge is success. You are obviously good at your job; just apply yourself and look forward to the day you come across him in the future when you will doubtless be successful and he'll still be a mediocre non-entity.
Good luck mate.
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Just to re-iterate what I've said previously, and comment on what a few others have said - an employment dispute, when handled by an employment law expert, should not be a lengthy matter.
Normally these things are settled outside of court. Your lawyer will prepare a letter, set out the facts and say what the alleged offence is. Your employer will then, most likely, consult a lawyer who will assess the facts, in this case they are likely to say that the employer is not in a great position. The employer then decides, go to Tribunal or pay an out of court settlement - most choose to settle. Rarely does an employer want their name over employment disputes. Further, in legal fees it will cost the employer a **** of a lot more than the employee.
The employment tribunal process was set up for the protection of employees, and although there has been a slight shift in preference in the recession, it remains a very good and easy procedure for employees.
See wht your lawyer says. If it is a strong case then go for it and try and get a settlement out of them.
Normally these things are settled outside of court. Your lawyer will prepare a letter, set out the facts and say what the alleged offence is. Your employer will then, most likely, consult a lawyer who will assess the facts, in this case they are likely to say that the employer is not in a great position. The employer then decides, go to Tribunal or pay an out of court settlement - most choose to settle. Rarely does an employer want their name over employment disputes. Further, in legal fees it will cost the employer a **** of a lot more than the employee.
The employment tribunal process was set up for the protection of employees, and although there has been a slight shift in preference in the recession, it remains a very good and easy procedure for employees.
See wht your lawyer says. If it is a strong case then go for it and try and get a settlement out of them.