Petition to Abolish Car Tax - Finally - Sign It Baby

[rockits]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/120942

Got to happen surely. Put the tax on fuel. Job done. Much fairer.

 

[Wack61]

Hope you like paying more for your stuff if they do put it on fuel as it's commercial vehicles that use most of it bringing things for us to buy

 

[rockits]

I'm happy to do that. It is a fairer system all round. The more fuel you use the more you pollute the more expensive it is. We have a van at work on a flat rate car tax. It could do 100k miles per year & pay the same car tax as the same van that does 1k miles.

Abolish car tax and put it on fuel. To pay £505 per year on 2 cars I don't use much and do about 4k between both is ridiculous. If I add on the other 4 cars as well it must be nearly £2k per year I pay on car tax. Me & the missus can only drive 2 cars at a time.

Either put the tax on fuel or charge me twice....not 6 times. Car tax was a pain in the butt before in admin and is still a pain in the butt. Get rid of it. Rant over.

 

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signed

 

[CatmanV2]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/120942

Got to happen surely. Put the tax on fuel. Job done. Much fairer.

Never *ever* happen. Political suicide

C

 

[MrMickS]

What about Teslas and the move towards electric cars?

Where will the revenue come from?


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[rockits]

Why should a car with zero emissions pay tax....we need to encourage reducing emissions do we not? I thought this was the idea.

Aren't electric cars zero road tax at the moment anyway so what difference?

 

[Wack61]

Never *ever* happen. Political suicide

C

Agreed

The wealthy with their multiple £500 pa cars would love it but those on the minimum wage would see it as their freedom being taken away , they buy cars with £30 tax so they can afford to drive them, stick another 20p a litre on and they won't be going anywhere .

Someone that drives 100k a year is already paying a fortune in tax as it is

 

[CatmanV2]

Why should a car with zero emissions pay tax....

Because they still need roads and wear them out.

Yes they are zero tax now, but that cannot continue if they become popular. The government only has our money to use.

C

 

[rockits]

Or maybe the govt will do what they always do. Encourage people to invest in electric cars & incentivise them to do it until loads do it then tax the sh1t out of them!

 

[CatmanV2]

Or maybe the govt will do what they always do. Encourage people to invest in electric cars & incentivise them to do it until loads do it then tax the sh1t out of them!

That is far more likely.

C

 

[Wack61]

I've never understood why LPG hasn't taken off with manufacturers , the cost of a factory fit LPG kit is probably under £500 compared to the £2500 for a Diesel engine and LPG is still lower tax than petrol so 1/2 price and more widely available than charging points

 

[CatmanV2]

I've never understood why LPG hasn't taken off with manufacturers , the cost of a factory fit LPG kit is probably under £500 compared to the £2500 for a Diesel engine and LPG is still lower tax than petrol so 1/2 price and more widely available than charging points

Not *that* widely, though. I used to have a 156 V6 with LPG, and it was great. But there is one fuel station in Harlow that has LPG. That has not changed since 2009. Also on LPG the mileage is lousy. I used to get 150 miles from the donut tank in the spare wheel. Of course, manufacturers could design bigger tanks into the cars.

I think the additional cost on the design would be prohibitive in the market, unless you went LPG only, and AFAIK you can't do that without specifically designed engines (the 156 had to be started on petrol)

Also filling them was *slightly* less easy than petrol.

On balance, though, I'd have another

C

 

[MrMickS]

Why should a car with zero emissions pay tax....we need to encourage reducing emissions do we not? I thought this was the idea.

Aren't electric cars zero road tax at the moment anyway so what difference?

It all changes next year. Lexus have been running rings around the rules for years with V6 hybrids. Tesla model S and X will cost from next year as a luxury car.

The money needs to come from somewhere. It's getting to a tipping point where it's impacting revenue so a change is needed. A change to a tax on fuel won't raise enough money. It's only going to reduce in the future.

The only real alternative to road tax is road pricing. That's even more contentious though as previous proposals have had variable pricing. Charging more to travel at busy periods.


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[rockits]

Because they still need roads and wear them out.

Yes they are zero tax now, but that cannot continue if they become popular. The government only has our money to use.

C

Agreed but how much of our Car Tax revenue goes on roads. I understood it was about 5%. They must spend about 50p a year near where I live! I could do more with my £2k of Car Tax revenue myself!!

The tax needs to be on fuel mainly with some thoughts on how to help keep roads/infrastructure in good nick. Needs to be on use. The more you use the more you pay. Simples.

 

[CatmanV2]

Sorry, though you asked why they should pay tax

Of course the other point you raise *also* answers your question. If they didn't pay tax, where would the other 95% of the money that they don't spend on roads come from....

C

 

[Wack61]

Agreed but how much of our Car Tax revenue goes on roads. I understood it was about 5%. They must spend about 50p a year near where I live! I could do more with my £2k of Car Tax revenue myself!!

The tax needs to be on fuel mainly with some thoughts on how to help keep roads/infrastructure in good nick. Needs to be on use. The more you use the more you pay. Simples.

There's a simple way to halve your 2k Bill , chose which cars you drive on an alternate monthly basis and Sorn them in between , it's all instant online now

 

[rockits]

I SORN the 4200 & SL500 a few months a year but drive the others at least once a month so can't work that much better really. I have trade plates but your not supposed to use them other than to/from collection of buying/selling/MOT/servicing/demo's.

 

[rockits]

Sorry, though you asked why they should pay tax

Of course the other point you raise *also* answers your question. If they didn't pay tax, where would the other 95% of the money that they don't spend on roads come from....

C

Depends on where the other 95% actually comes from at the moment. I have no idea...any ideas?

 

[CatmanV2]

Depends on where the other 95% actually comes from at the moment. I have no idea...any ideas?

Sorry you misunderstand me.

95% of 'road tax' is *not* spent on roads. So electric cars still need to pay Vehicle Excise Duty to help make up the other 95%

The government, whoever they are, basically have one source of income. Tax. If you don't pay it on VED, you *will* pay it somewhere else. Fairness will be subservient to making the books balance.

Step change is simply not an option for any politician that wants to keep their job more than one term.

2009 VED = £32Billion pounds.
VAT on fuel = £4b
Average petrol price = £0.9 per litre of which 15p is VAT
So my trusty back of a *** packet indicates that roughly 26 billion litres of fuel were sold.
To raise the same revenue on the same amount of fuel you would have to *increase* the cost of fuel by £1.20 *per litre*

So what PM is going to be the one that tells the great British public that your fuel is going to jump from 90p per litre to £2.10 over night?

C