Talk me out of a R8 V10

[rockits]

I think it is one of life's great conundrum's. It is why fit girls often chose rough n ready blokes that cheat on them and cause them no end of grief. It is often sometimes the thing that look the nicest that doesn't always taste the best and sometimes things that don't look so good sometimes taste the best. Sometimes biggest isn't always best and sometimes the best isn't always the best.

It is also great that not everyone understands a Maserati or allows it to get under their skin. It is one of life's hidden secret's and in a way I am happy for it to stay that way. As soon as it loses all that makes it so special then it stops it being so special. It is like the clever/interesting kids at school that only a few that bothered to talk to them and got to know them found out about them. I think I was one of those kids....and maybe still am. I like the way the brand is and in a way that the Alfieri didn't come out as it should or when it should. Maybe Maserati is in that flawed genius category.

 

[iainw]

You are right Phil dated, which is odd as the Maser comes from the same age but just looks so much more err " desirable "

Isn't that what I insinuated.
The maserati is timeless - the Audi just seems dated. People joke about maserati 'facelifts' but I would be suprised if the average punter could tell the difference between a 150k R8 V10 and a 40 K 20009/10 one. I might
Be wrong ...
When you are in the 150k bracket you are talking about a whole heap of supercar choice.the Audi sounds like a technical beast with awesome performance- and anything of that price is going to be a bit special

 

[JonW]

I think it is one of life's great conundrum's. It is why fit girls often chose rough n ready blokes that cheat on them and cause them no end of grief. It is often sometimes the thing that look the nicest that doesn't always taste the best and sometimes things that don't look so good sometimes taste the best. Sometimes biggest isn't always best and sometimes the best isn't always the best.

It is also great that not everyone understands a Maserati or allows it to get under their skin. It is one of life's hidden secret's and in a way I am happy for it to stay that way. As soon as it loses all that makes it so special then it stops it being so special. It is like the clever/interesting kids at school that only a few that bothered to talk to them and got to know them found out about them. I think I was one of those kids....and maybe still am. I like the way the brand is and in a way that the Alfieri didn't come out as it should or when it should. Maybe Maserati is in that flawed genius category.

I agree with this ^^^^^^^^^

Different is good.
Imperfect is interesting.
Flawed is fascinating.

Perfect can be dull and ******* annoying!

 

[iainw]

I agree with this ^^^^^^^^^

Different is good.
Imperfect is interesting.
Flawed is fascinating.

Perfect can be dull and ******* annoying!

I agree with a lot of this, and still think I will never beat my GTs for VFM. I will buy it back if the current owner ever sells.
I don't agree that the Maserati management are geniuses though. I think they are a struggling subsidiary of Fiat and have lost their way. They have let Ferrari continually bully , berate and embarrass them, and now they are letting Alfa push them to the side with their exciting offerings. They need to make their new halo cars with a bang... or drown in a sea of ghibli sand levantes talking about the good old days

 

[Rags]

Isn't that what I insinuated.
The maserati is timeless - the Audi just seems dated. People joke about maserati 'facelifts' but I would be suprised if the average punter could tell the difference between a 150k R8 V10 and a 40 K 20009/10 one. I might
Be wrong ...
When you are in the 150k bracket you are talking about a whole heap of supercar choice.the Audi sounds like a technical beast with awesome performance- and anything of that price is going to be a bit special

At the Audi list price there isn't a huge amount of Supercar choice. You have to move up to £200k to get some proper kit and similar performance.

I don't think the comparison is wholly fair. Do you think the average punter could tell the difference between a £100+k new GTS and the ones on Autotrader for £30k? There is far more recognition amongst the general public for an R8 than there is for a GTS.

There is also a regular Audi R8 V10 540bhp for £120k. 70bhp or so less than the Plus and no carbon ceramic brakes etc. That too will outperform the Maz.

 

[D Walker]

See you have made your point,
The general public recognise an Audi R8, it's a TT big brother,
But when they see s GTS they say,
What the **** was that!!
Sorry,
Couldn't resist!

 

[Rags]

I know people will be upset with what I am saying. So I apologise for my posts.

Bottom line is I would buy another maz in a heartbeat.

 

[azapa]

I drove a 2013 spyder and a 2012 coupe, both V10, and the stradale sounds about a squillion times better, IMHO, of course. Both with standard exhausts. Lovely car the new R8 V10 though!

 

[Rags]

See you have made your point,
The general public recognise an Audi R8, it's a TT big brother,
But when they see s GTS they say,
What the **** was that!!
Sorry,
Couldn't resist!

Fine lol

 

[D Walker]

Fine lol

Alls fair in love and war, to be fair, you've experienced the best of both worlds and formed an opinion and that's totally fair.

 

[rockits]

I agree with a lot of this, and still think I will never beat my GTs for VFM. I will buy it back if the current owner ever sells.
I don't agree that the Maserati management are geniuses though. I think they are a struggling subsidiary of Fiat and have lost their way. They have let Ferrari continually bully , berate and embarrass them, and now they are letting Alfa push them to the side with their exciting offerings. They need to make their new halo cars with a bang... or drown in a sea of ghibli sand levantes talking about the good old days

Sorry, I didn't say that right. Maybe 'Maserati' the car...the person....the thing...call him a him is the flawed genius. Certainly not Maserati management....most of them are agreed idiots, buffoons etc. and have missed several good business opportunities.

I don't do different just to be different. I try to be different because I genuinely believe I am doing it because I think it is better. Just because 100 million people do something doesn't mean it is right or it is the best way. I think the word I have used most in all my 44 years on this planet out loud and in my head is.....WHY.....such a brilliant word.

I question everything.....I am sure this can be annoying but it is always to find the best way, a better way, a more cost effective way, a quicker way a more efficient way. Whatever it is I am sure we can do better. If the whole thought this way I am sure we would live on a much nice planet and be so much more advanced than we are also less destructive than we are. I think about everything and believe me that is annoying not just for others but for me as well. I can't change it but it sure does become tiresome. When I have ever asked an engineer why they did what they did I always questioned the guys that said.....er, I didn't really think about it. Wrong answer. Why didn't you think about it.

I wouldn't mind Maserati making Ghibli diesels if it meant a normally aspirated V8 Alfieri came out the other end...but it hasn't. It is diluting and devaluing that special Maserati something to others that do not get it or appreciate it with no upside on the flip side of the coin.

 

[iainw]

At the Audi list price there isn't a huge amount of Supercar choice. You have to move up to £200k to get some proper kit and similar performance.

I don't think the comparison is wholly fair. Do you think the average punter could tell the difference between a £100+k new GTS and the ones on Autotrader for £30k? There is far more recognition amongst the general public for an R8 than there is for a GTS.

There is also a regular Audi R8 V10 540bhp for £120k. 70bhp or so less than the Plus and no carbon ceramic brakes etc. That too will outperform the Maz.

I agree re noticing differences between 35k GTs vs 100k new one. It why I bought what I did at the time.
At 150k - I might be biased but surely a 458 with less than 5,000 miles or a McLaren might come into the occasion. And you can't tell me they don't look better than an R8 or similar performance

 

[iainw]

I know people will be upset with what I am saying. So I apologise for my posts.

Bottom line is I would buy another maz in a heartbeat.

Not upset- it's good discussion and it's good everyone has different opinions or life would be boring! Everyone respects Teutonic efficiency. I just can't get my head around wanting an R8 over a nearly new strad plus 70k cash or a low mileage 458 or mclaren

 

[Rags]

I agree re noticing differences between 35k GTs vs 100k new one. It why I bought what I did at the time.
At 150k - I might be biased but surely a 458 with less than 5,000 miles or a McLaren might come into the occasion. And you can't tell me they don't look better than an R8 or similar performance

I would def take a 458 over an R8 of course! I don't need to drive my car daily so the Ferrari would be a viable option.

But quite a different price bracket when you compare like to like. Price up a new 488 for example and compare it - prob will cost in the region of £220k.

 

[conaero]

Probably but no offence intended

I take back the barge comment. sorry!

Ok fair enough.

 

[Rags]

Not upset- it's good discussion and it's good everyone has different opinions or life would be boring! Everyone respects Teutonic efficiency. I just can't get my head around wanting an R8 over a nearly new strad plus 70k cash or a low mileage 458 or mclaren

Im with you on this. I partially regret my decision.

 

[D Walker]

Not upset- it's good discussion and it's good everyone has different opinions or life would be boring! Everyone respects Teutonic efficiency. I just can't get my head around wanting an R8 over a nearly new strad plus 70k cash or a low mileage 458 or mclaren

Oh dear, it's happened, we've finally agreed wholesomely in one statement!

 

[rockits]

I got so bored in my TT very quickly....one of the shortest car ownerships I have had. I can't see I would find an R8 too much different.

Not all German cars are the same. The supercharged E55/SL55 engine is a peach and makes those cars so much better. The interiors though are dull places to be for sure but Merc's are there to rack up the miles. An R8 for me needs to be more supercar and more special. They should have taken a few more chances and injected some Lambo madness into the mix. Spice it up a bit. I think the R8 would be a much better car for it.

 

[Rags]

I got so bored in my TT very quickly....one of the shortest car ownerships I have had. I can't see I would find an R8 too much different.

Not all German cars are the same. The supercharged E55/SL55 engine is a peach and makes those cars so much better. The interiors though are dull places to be for sure but Merc's are there to rack up the miles. An R8 for me needs to be more supercar and more special. They should have taken a few more chances and injected some Lambo madness into the mix. Spice it up a bit. I think the R8 would be a much better car for it.

Its got a Lambo engine!! It is a serious supercar and it is bananas. The interior is great. Any more Lambo madness and it would be a Lambo.......ok maybe not!

And comparing it to a TT is worse than me saying my wife has a Levante and its the same as my GTS. Or a Ghibli. The TT is a decent car.....Maserati management would wet their pants at the thought of having something as successful. Afterall thats what they want isnt it - to be the Italian BMW, Audi etc?

Maserati have an awesome brand name. People love it. Fiat management don't seem to love it.

 

[iainw]

I would def take a 458 over an R8 of course! I don't need to drive my car daily so the Ferrari would be a viable option.

But quite a different price bracket when you compare like to like. Price up a new 488 for example and compare it - prob will cost in the region of £220k.

You can get stunning 458s for around 160 with less than 5,000 miles. Was that an option.
My
Finger is on the trigger but I am scared of my wife's reaction