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SteveM

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It's not about the money for me, I mean it's annoying that the last twelve months bills on this rival some of my mates that own far more valuable astons , ferraris , Bentleys etc, but all I'm worried about is this car trying to kill me or someone else , and that kind of dents my enjoyment of it , and surely the point of having a toy is to enjoy it, not be too scared to drive it over 40 :(
I need to go right back through this thread and see if the rear or upper arms are suspect atall as I'm of a mind to either get all the potential parts stripped off and closely inspected or just move my plans forward a bit and shift it on and upgrade to something newer. Sad really

I have had both drivers bottom arm and top rear arm crack - in the case of the rear arm it actually appeared to have two parallel cracks. ( I cant recall post number but photo was about 2 months ago)

VOSA are continuing to chase - apparently my arms have been sent by factory for further analysis and awaiting report.
 

Trev Latter

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I suppose the question is also whether any of the redesigned arms have failed. Both fronts on mine are the newer design, so I can only assume that they have been changed at some point prior to me purchasing the car. I don't have it recorded anywhere in the service history to know why or when they were changed. The rears look ok, having checked them recently.
 

rs48635

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I really miss driving my 3200. Starting to dawn on me now that we are on our own, so I might have to source a new style wishbone to get my car back on 4 wheels. The first nervous journey will to the MOT station for a fresh ticket. I am tempted to film the process (after recounting the whole tale to the tester) and have a good look for more issues.
Likely the next journey will be to a workshop to strip and inspect the other three corners, either at my home or a maserati specialist.

Much as I do love my newer bigger bus, there is something about that whole package on the turbo engined, manual gearbox that I cannot do without.
 

T-axle

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Are you guys aware that we are getting into July? In about one month, Italy will be shut down due to nation wide vacations.
Where does the mind of an employee in Modena wander these days...
(HINT: beach)
...Just a thought regarding timeline...
 

Fat Arnie

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Right, I got a call back from Maserati today. But don't get excited.

I was called by Paul Green, who is the Customer Support Manager at Maserati GB Ltd, even though I called Anna Angelini, their Press & Public Relations Manager.

I told him of the issue, the failures and that it was not acceptable for Maserati to turn a blind eye to this. He told me that Maserati has a failed part they are analysing and they are "in dialogue" with the DVSA.

I asked how the analysis of the wishbone was going and he told me it was in progress. Pushing him harder he told me they had had it 3 months. I told him this was absurd for a fault which could potentially result in a fatal accident. I informed him that any metalurgist would be able to perform an material analysis on the faulty part and draw a conclusion in 24 hours. He disagreed, then I asked him if the Suderia Ferrair take 3 moths to do their failure analysis on their F1 cars. He tried to claim this was different, but I reminded him that the failure of these parts which resulted in a fatality, subsequent to Maserati having full knowledge of the condition was a very serious and possibly criminal negligence. He refused to budge.


So I revisited the point that I called Anna Angelini and he told me it was unnecessary and that matters of this nature stopped with him.

So I asked him if he thought it would be a PR issue when the Daily Mail plasters its pages with Maserati death trap news should the worse happen. He seemed happy to wait. So I invited him to take to the wheel of my car, strap his wife and kids in, and go for a 100mph blast. He declined and told me he knew why. I asked him if it was because a wheel could fly off and he and his family would crash and burn. He did not deny this was the reason.

I asked him if Maserati would cover the cost of my car being inspected, obviously collecting and delivering the car as I cannot be certain it is safe. He told me to take it to a dealer if I wanted to, but he was in no position to make any contribution to costs.

So I think its time to ramp this up a bit.

I think the best way will be for all of us to book our cars for inspection, and on dropping them off make it abundantly clear we are not paying for the inspection. If enough of us do this in a short timeframe across the dealer network, they might actually do something. The other resort is to take this matter to the press.

Anyone connected to any motoring journos at Autocar/Evo etc?
 

highlander

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I really miss driving my 3200. Starting to dawn on me now that we are on our own, so I might have to source a new style wishbone to get my car back on 4 wheels. The first nervous journey will to the MOT station for a fresh ticket. I am tempted to film the process (after recounting the whole tale to the tester) and have a good look for more issues.
Likely the next journey will be to a workshop to strip and inspect the other three corners, either at my home or a maserati specialist.

Much as I do love my newer bigger bus, there is something about that whole package on the turbo engined, manual gearbox that I cannot do without.
Rob, you need to just fix her..........Maserati may come clean but in the meantime, you are losing out.
 

safrane

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Why am I not surprised...its the same line he used on me... Call a dealer and arrange for them to inspect your car for faults if you are concerned Mr Maserati owner.

Oh and while we are at it lets increase the cost of these parts by 400% so we can make some money out of it.

If they are in discussions with VOSA then they must have the results...otherwise what is there to talk about if they are still waiting for test results?

Paul Green is just a little Minion who would not have the authority to send you a thank you card.
 

mchristyuk

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Hi Arnie,

Nice try.. but I just think it goes to show that we're completely wasting our time with Maserati.. I won't put in to words what I currently think of this Paul Green and the rest of the sorry little bunch of pond life that profess to be "professionals". I think we could turn up enmasse at Maserati HQ in England and park outside with massive banners and they'd still do f*ck all.

Matt has his contacts into the daily papers and I need to get a letter together to Watchdog (setting off for holiday at 3am, so it might have to wait a couple days until the body clock has sorted itself out).

This will get resolved I'm sure. It's just a shame these muppets want to get Maseratis name dragged through the mud publicly at a time when they're trying to grow the brand. Hey ho.. their choice.

And BTW they've definitely had more than one knackered suspension arm.. I sent two in for starters!

Mark
 

allandwf

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I was going to take mine on one last blast around Knockhill before she went, but last thing I needed was to bin the car due to potential wishbone problems and would always be in the back of my mind even though they checked fine. Took tha Alfa instead :/
 

highlander

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I was going to take mine on one last blast around Knockhill before she went, but last thing I needed was to bin the car due to potential wishbone problems and would always be in the back of my mind even though they checked fine. Took tha Alfa instead :/

And that sums it it up really. We love these cars but knowing the possible faults, can we live with them?
 

CliveP1

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i have been reading this post now since the beginning and I really can't see them moving on this issue unless a fatality happens. if the press / motoring journalists start to write about the problem Maserati would just as likely say with cars that are 10 to 15 years old that may have been round a track how can they check for abuse. they will find a way of getting out of it. if they would do a check free of charge does anyone know how many 3200 / 4200 / GS cars are in the UK that would need looking at. perhaps this could be a way for Maserati to get the information needed.

I did have my ones looked at where I get it serviced at 911sport and as far as they could see they looked Ok, apart from complete removal thats as far as it went. if we have to get them completely removed and cracks are found were do you stand on driving the car back would the Maserati dealer say your car is too dangerous to drive could we all end up with cars stuck at the dealers waiting for recovery.
 

Zep

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What is frequently.....every time u intend taking a drive?

Unrealistic particulary when the components need to be viewed under weight load

The experiences reported here seem to suggest a progressive mode of failure with rare catastrophic failure to my understanding. I use to "snake" camera (about £60) to view my wishbones in the ground to check for cracks or defects every month or so.

This is far from a replacement for a decent response from Maserati, but means it's the work of 5 minutes to check my car and then use it as the god of V8 noise intended.

If I get a crack, I'll change the wishbone. The design defect argument may yet be won (I hope it is) but if I put myself in Maserati's shoes, I would argue strongly that this is an age / maintenance issue for owners to take care of. So a quick resolution is unlikely and I'm not willing to wait.


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mchristyuk

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Whilst we like to think of our cars as exotic supercars, in the eyes of the law they are a mass produced 4 seater that are designed to be used by the masses on the public highway.

I'd think that the vast majority of us on here can understand what to look for and what the warning signs are. However there are an equal (probably greater) number of owners who wouldn't know where to find a "wishbone" let alone what it looks like!... so please tell me what other mass produced car needs a monthly inspection with a "snake cam" to check it's safe to use on the road?

Personally I find it completely unacceptable... I might be able to live and work around the issue, there are those who can't and might end up paying a very heavy price for it.

Mark
 

Zep

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I haven't tried, I'll have a look later. For me the issue is the front bush on the lower front 'bone. That's the one I check. For the rest I use my backside and the drivers seat.


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