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Spoons
You offered three choices. The garage offered something else entirely. Clearly they're all about minimising any outlay on the car and letting you pick up the tab.
Reject the car and demand your money back. I suspect that this garage is well used to grinding buyers down, until they either give up or accept a half solution.
Don't give them an inch, or they'll bend you over and take your trousers down. Again.
You've been more than generous in offering them three reasonable ways out of this clusterf**k. They declined.
The time for talking is over.

Mr Spoon said:

So they want to pick it up and repair the subframe...

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And definitely return it to you with a full tank of petrol, this time, right?

CatmanV2 said:

I wish you all the luck. I bought mine on emotion. In fact even Mrs C's first word was 'wow'
I really hope you get what you want: emotion is a powerful driver and can be even better when fulfilled

C

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So did I Cat. I remember chatting to you while planning to go and see her. She was the first Granturismo I saw. One look, a snap head turn and 'You're mine'. Pure emotion.
She still is.
And like Mrs C, Jacquie loves her too.

Morning all - currently my activity for the day is to take a look at this car (not that my knowledge will enable any input) - and listen to it. If anyone wants to join us we should be at the Petrol station at Evesham Country Park 9.30 and then a runout to Caffeine & Machine. But I certainly understand how emotions may mean the heart rules the head - ask Ash and Matt!!

Mr Spoon said:

I'm going to research my legal position on this.
I've also got to remember that talk is cheap....

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I’m guessing this is all a bit stressful for you but reading through this thread tells me the advice to return the car is absolutely the best next step. Looking at the lack of basic prep, plus the history problems mean at this car is always going to be problematic unless you throw a potentially uneconomic amount of cash at it, but I’d really have to ask why would you do that? If you purchased expecting an expensive restoration because something about the car was special/rare/unique then maybe fine, but that clearly wasn’t your intention. The dealer will wriggle to not take it back for a refund so if a return is your decision you will have to be resolute and unwavering that you are rejecting it.

Many may disagree but if I were you I would even be prepared to pay a token something to the dealer to get out now. Could end up a cheap spend compared to keeping this car.

c4sman said:

I’m guessing this is all a bit stressful for you but reading through this thread tells me the advice to return the car is absolutely the best next step. Looking at the lack of basic prep, plus the history problems mean at this car is always going to be problematic unless you throw a potentially uneconomic amount of cash at it, but I’d really have to ask why would you do that? If you purchased expecting an expensive restoration because something about the car was special/rare/unique then maybe fine, but that clearly wasn’t your intention. The dealer will wriggle to not take it back for a refund so if a return is your decision you will have to be resolute and unwavering that you are rejecting it.

Many may disagree but if I were you I would even be prepared to pay a token something to the dealer to get out now. Could end up a cheap spend compared to keeping this car.

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Paying to get rid of it might save you in the long run...it's now a 'marked' car and the delaer will find it difficult to sell on especially if they are on here.

Been following this thread with interest & hope you make the right choice.
Did you get around to removing the wheel well trim in the boot to make sure there isn’t a swimming pool in there or at the very least signs of previous water egress that may cause issues with the electronic parking brake.

Spoons
I went through an almost identical 'drama' with a very bent dealer in Northampton, a couple of years ago.
I bought a Classic Range Rover sight unseen and long long story short, I kept the vehicle and got £3,000 back via Northampton High Court, which covered my unexpected outlay on the vehicle. But not the stress of the long drawn out affair, during a period when I was very ill.
Anyhoodles PM me and I'll give you my mobile and I can talk you through the easy process of enforcing your rights. I know some guys on the forum are lawyers, so if anyone offers you expert, specific advice; grab it.
I relied on an exceptionally kind guy, who'd been through the whole process with the same dealer about a year before, who emailed me all his court docs etc etc. I'll name the guy here if that's okay, because I imagine he's still trading. When I spoke to Northampton police, they knew all about the guy, as did Trading Standards. But, when I Googled him before buying, there was almost nothing on the web about the guy. There's a lot more now.
If I can help. Just PM me. Costs you nothing.
As others have more diplomatically put it. This car is a dog. Its been mistreated most of its life. Before it bites you in your wallet. Send it back.
My car is the same mileage and age as yours. Its been the most reliable car I've owned and I'm 56 and a total petrol head Meaning. I've spent far too much on cars over the years. I know who my car's previous owners were and I know they spent whatever it needed, without hesitation. That's why I'll miss her so much, when she's gone. She never squeaks, rattles or rolls. The only sound you hear is the engine and you almost never hear the radio

I'm wondering if Scottish law applies and is different. Don't know.

jebroni said:

Been following this thread with interest & hope you make the right choice.
Did you get around to removing the wheel well trim in the boot to make sure there isn’t a swimming pool in there or at the very least signs of previous water egress that may cause issues with the electronic parking brake.

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No I haven't removed the trim in the boot, I've left everything how it has been delivered. With the exception of cleaning the car inside and out, but as some of you might be aware, cleaning the car is a great way to spot other issues. Had I not have cleaned it today, I'd have not found the headlamp loose and held on with a cable tie.

The headlamp being insecure is a fail and to rectify very expensive if it needs another unit.
Get it back to the seller ASAP.
Over 200 posts on this car says it all.

How did it pass an MOT with a loose headlight....scandalous! Report the trader and the MOT centre.

midlifecrisis said:

How did it pass an MOT with a loose headlight....scandalous! Report the trader and the MOT centre.

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Someone is going to say that the headlamp was fine at the time of the MOT

I've been trying to be even-handed about this, but now I can't resist saying, simply, "Return it!!!"

You are making it worse by cleaning, fixing and buying parts, as this is sending mixed messages.

If you had been told everything you have now learned, what would you have paid for it 'as seen'|? £14,000?

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Without cleaning it, I wouldn't have found the headlight. Buying boot struts does not mean I have to keep the car, not sure how this could be considered making something worse?

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It could be argued that there's an element of accepting the standard of the car and you're just trying it on. Beyond that, if we assume the supplier is aware of the issues and is, in fact, of nefarious purpose, it may well give him reason to think he can string you along until you give up and keep it.

That's $0.04 now

C

Personally I’d of given up on it by now. It’s clear it needs to go back for a full refund under DSR. This seller has probably been in the same position and will try as hard as he can to get you over the 14 days. On that probability I wouldn’t get into any negotiations regarding repairs or good will towards repairs. It’s a dog of a car by the sound of it so get shot of it while you can.

Mr Spoon said:

So I have sent the request to collect the car and refund the purchase price.

I suspect this will not go smoothly,

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Then you’ve done the right thing. Well inside the 14 days. Stick to your guns and you’ll come out right.

Simon1963 said:

Then you’ve done the right thing. Well inside the 14 days. Stick to your guns and you’ll come out right.

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Agreed. There's no recourse for the dealer that I can see

C

Mr Spoon said:

So I have sent the request to collect the car and refund the purchase price.

I suspect this will not go smoothly,

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It won't expecially now that you've cleaned it...what products did you use? You caused it to rust and every other salesman's excuse of avoiding its return.

Quite simply...

Get rid, Get rid, Get rid. No ifs no buts, no well I could do this or I might ask him for a partial refund, no get rid get rid get rid.

Smooth delivery? He couldn't get rid of it quick enough!