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It's always better buying from someone who has vast experience selling these cars.
My best experience was when I bought my 360 Modena led on massively by people on this forum.
I bought it from Forza 288 in the New Forest and it was a totally perfect experience dealing with David there.
 
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philw696 said:
It's always better buying from someone who has vast experience selling these cars.
My best experience was when I bought my 360 Modena led on massively by people on this forum.
I bought it from Forza 288 in the New Forest and it was a totally perfect experience dealing with David there.
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I agree that the ideal is to buy from a marque specialist with vast experience, etc, but there is a cost premium for this, and I do understand why people seek out cars that may be more attractively priced in the hands of dealers (or individuals) who don't quite know what they have and are trying to get rid. The 'bargain car' might, of course end up costing more in the end, but not everyone can afford to start their buying process at the top.
 
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MarkMas said:
I agree that the ideal is to buy from a marque specialist with vast experience, etc, but there is a cost premium for this, and I do understand why people seek out cars that may be more attractively priced in the hands of dealers (or individuals) who don't quite know what they have and are trying to get rid. The 'bargain car' might, of course end up costing more in the end, but not everyone can afford to start their buying process at the top.
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I dont think this is that ! This dealer is trying to dispose of a car he is only too aware what it is...! A dog.
Non specialists are likely to price their cars a bit randomly, its true- with a Maserati, usually too high ! And given their scant understanding of poor Maserati prices, they are difficult to negotiate with because they think they are holding the crown jewels...IME ! :)
 
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I dont think this is that ! This dealer is trying to dispose of a car he is only too aware what it is...! A dog.
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Well, it's true, the dealer may be trying to dispose of a known problem car. But there is some evidence that they are just out of their depth, given that they have been in business less than a year and their normal stock is bog standard Fords, etc. I suspect they picked this up 'by accident' somehow, and are a bit desperate to get rid of it without a massive financial hit or loads of expensive pre-sale prep.

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I know you can’t go appearances all the time but those two guys in the website look as dodgy as they come.

Company was incorporated just 12 months ago.

Really hope this works out for you.
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David has recently joined our growing team as our sales assistant, taking care of the preparation of cars and customer assistance throughout the business. David brings a lot of experience, passion and knowledge to WCM which has proven him to being a valuable asset to the team.

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Ollie is one of the two partners here at WCM. Forefronting the sales and stock management of the company. Coming from an electrical background while also having sound mechanical knowledge with a passion for cars. Ollie is on top of any questions you have about your new car.

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They dont deserve to be in business with poor prep like this...
The video records nothing of the true condition. What are they doing ? They could easily make a better fist of the online paltform to represent the car more clearly...Its lazy, at best.
I know which side I am on of the "benefit of the doubt" argument...
Im not sure what vast experience and passion they are talking about....let me think !!
 
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MarkMas said:
Well, it's true, the dealer may be trying to dispose of a known problem car. But there is some evidence that they are just out of their depth, given that they have been in business less than a year and their normal stock is bog standard Fords, etc. I suspect they picked this up 'by accident' somehow, and are a bit desperate to get rid of it without a massive financial hit or loads of expensive pre-sale prep.

West Coast Motors Ltd - Used car dealership in West Kilbride

Browse 33 cars from West Coast Motors Ltd who is a used car dealership based in West Kilbride, Ayrshire. Find your next car with us!
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My thoughts exactly. Possibly an auction buy. Bought at £15k/£16k with few other bidders. If any. They did the numbers. Thought they'd flip it quickly, with what is arguably the private sale price. Either going in, or when they took possession, they discovered it's obvious defects and given the much lower Facebook price, were prepared to take a hit, just to get rid. I reckon they thought the odds were, that a distance buyer could be argued into keeping the car. Or any buyer. Because that happens. A lot.
But now its boomeranging back to Bonnie Scootland and is a marked car, should anyone ask about it here.
For a newcomer, Spoons has done the forum a massive service, in proving what can happen, when you buy ignoring the golden advice here. And to his credit, he's dug his heels in and is demanding the rights the law has granted him as a buyer. So, he's demonstrating what we don't tend to discuss so much here. That's how to get out of a jam, once one's in it. And he's doing it very publicly, which will help other buyers immensely.

Spoons was kind enough to PM me the link to the garage and I had to laugh. Based on their claims of platinum levels of customer care and quality, you could be forgiven for thinking that you were buying from a Maserati franchise. Arguably, the stratospheric claims made on their website do anyone taking them to court, a massive favour. Because their website helps any buyer of a 'dog' show the court just how much BS their claims are.
Nothing in their website inspires confidence. Where the garage is based. Kilwinning. Is a known hotspot of chancers and petty criminals. Personally, I love parts of the area, because they are, or were very scenic and people very friendly.
But would I do business there. I consider long and hard and find out exactly who I was dealing with.
Apologies for the generalisations of the locality. As an Ulster Scot, it saddens me immensely that this should happen anywhere. But, especially north of the border.
 
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Having met the car I understand Mr Spoon's earlier dilema - It did look nice (even tho' I am not a grey person) and the sound was nice, but, and I'm not expert, probably fairly typical for a GT. Two things I forgot on our runout - 1. put a dash cam on mine so you could see it in action. 2. Ask Mr Spoon if he had washed it.
I look forward to a run out with the next one (and with the S2000!!) and keep my fingers crossed for a successful outcome.
 
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If they return the monies, and take the car back..no harm, no foul. Maybe they will learn from the lesson and go on to develop a decent business....
I'm not going to make assumptions based on the way they look, theri age, or the over selling hype of their "aspirational" web site...
Neither am I going to speculate as to how or why they came to be owing this car....It is conjecture. As to the generalisations about the area..FFS Get a grip man !

Its a simple reject- start again. All good....:)
 
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MarkMas said:
I agree that the ideal is to buy from a marque specialist with vast experience, etc, but there is a cost premium for this, and I do understand why people seek out cars that may be more attractively priced in the hands of dealers (or individuals) who don't quite know what they have and are trying to get rid. The 'bargain car' might, of course end up costing more in the end, but not everyone can afford to start their buying process at the top.
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Agree. And you also might go that route if your looking for a particular spec, as they don't always end up at the 'repectable' well known marque specialist.

My first Maserati purchase was from Richard Grace. This came after several visits to other garages and a couple of private sale viewings, and I saw a few dogs.
I had to revise my 'want' list and decided having a decent dealer was worth it. I would have used Richard, Nuvola or ADG at that point.

After a couple years, a better budget and once I knew more about these cars, I decided to keep my eyes open for the spec I wanted. One eventually came up at a dealer I hadn't heard of that sold other nice cars and a couple of maserati.
I went to view, and as you said, the dealer wasn't fully aware of what he had, so was priced very well.
I saw a few issues that concerned me, so got a ppi done and negotiated my own servicing, as I could tell it would have been an oil and filter job if I left it to them.
Happy bunny.
 
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Sam McGoo said:
Agree. And you also might go that route if your looking for a particular spec, as they don't always end up at the 'repectable' well known marque specialist.

My first Maserati purchase was from Richard Grace. This came after several visits to other garages and a couple of private sale viewings, and I saw a few dogs.
I had to revise my 'want' list and decided having a decent dealer was worth it. I would have used Richard, Nuvola or ADG at that point.

After a couple years, a better budget and once I knew more about these cars, I decided to keep my eyes open for the spec I wanted. One eventually came up at a dealer I hadn't heard of that sold other nice cars and a couple of maserati.
I went to view, and as you said, the dealer wasn't fully aware of what he had, so was priced very well.
I saw a few issues that concerned me, so got a ppi done and negotiated my own servicing, as I could tell it would have been an oil and filter job if I left it to them.
Happy bunny.
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Yeah, but you still ended up with white callipers, so a bit of a disaster, really. :p
 
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Well if it is purchase history time:

I bought my first QPV from a sports car dealer in Scunthorpe, after looking at about 5 others in varying conditions and with histories ranging from 'one careful lady owner' to 'she finally found his car in a shed three years after the divorce, and seems to have taken a screwdriver to the interior and bodywork'. I very nearly bought a car from a guy in a carpark in Cardiff for £21,995, which @rockits bought 3 months later for £6.50 plus a packet of gum drops.

I utterly failed to have the one I bought (for £25,000) inspected, as I fell in love with it immediately, and just bought it on a quick test drive. The main dealer post-purchase inspection (!) was ok, thankfully, and the selling dealer fixed a couple of things, but I only discovered two years later that it had been in an accident and had welds to the rear end (not found in the inspection) - I suspect the selling dealer knew this, as he has sold the car locally twice before, over the years.

My 2nd QPV (similar but a bit nicer) was a private sale recommended to me (but not guaranteed) by Matt, so I bought it pretty much sight unseen. The price was under my budget, giving me some room to spend on repairs and upgrades. It's a good buy, but I still have had to spend some £££ and weeks getting it up to the standard I want and adding a few bits. I hope to get it back from its summer in Hampshire shortly.
 
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