A wager...

[2b1ask1]

I'll bet that (now The Freezer May has a clear run as PM and apparently will be by Thursday as the Camerfoon has just announced) the Conservatives call a general election within 6 weeks whilst Labour are without agreement of a leader.

Politics again but I'm just putting it out there...

 

[conaero]

I have heard that May might do something like this to get round leaving Europe....politicians, you cant trust em!

 

[2b1ask1]

Exactly why I think they will.

 

[daverichardson]

Coke and a Mars bar then

I think May will take over soon and stay in office for 18 months or so before calling an election
She will get someone to kick start Brexit and orf we jolly well go

No Labour party / opposition for the foreseeable future, so no hurry

 

[drewf]

Newton & Matt - spot on. May wants her own mandate - inheriting one has historically not gone well for leaders shoe-horned into the hot seat.

It also can't be coincidence that the first day of the test match at Lords is on Thursday - I assume young David has a ticket; a fine way to start his holidays

 

[Chrisbassett]

Every bet I've had with myself has been wrong for three weeks now, but...I'll go with immediate pruning of the conservative ranks then an election as soon as possible to get a mandate for herself. Brexit put before the commons for a vote as soon as possible after that so she can get rid of that little nuisance (the MP's understand what leaving really means, unlike the rabble out here in the electorate); then on with reforming the country in her image. Note, "reforming" means tearing apart and re-making to her benefit, not "putting reforms in place to benefit the public".

If the commons somehow manages to vote to leave the EU (really? you think they would?) then it's all hands to the pumps to minimise the damage of negotiating from a position of weakness and trying to put a taxation regime in place to persuade companies to stay in the UK, push through whatever she can get away with, all the while blaming any problem at all on brexit, which of course she has had forced upon her...not a jot of accountability along the way.

 

[BennyD]

I doubt any new leader will overrule the referendum result. May has already stated that she will honour the result and negotiate the best exit terms she can.

 

[keith]

Maybe just wishful thinking, but I do wonder whether it may be possible for May and her new government to negotiate a new deal with the EU. A sort of semi membership, then offer the public the choice with an election. As I say wishful thinking but stranger things have happened. After all just look at what's been going on for the last few weeks!

 

[Phil H]

If any UK leader tried to do an immediate u-turn they and the country would look fools in the eyes of the world, and that's not happening anytime soon.

However, it's not hard to imagine a Brexit deal that isn't what it seems; how often have we been caught out by EU small print in the past, and how easy would it be to leave a back door open for future annexation/re-integration? Assuming, of course, that they can delay the inevitable domino effect of other countries exiting.

All you need is a pro-EU leader with someone like Grieve pulling their strings.

PH

 

[MrMickS]

The problem she has is that the referendum was advisory. The people may have spoken but acceptance of the EU treaty required an act of Parliament. The act passed for the referendum, because of the non-binding nature of it, leave things open to legal challenge should article 50 be invoked without it going to another vote in parliament. It's all a mess and more evidence of the lack for thought behind the whole thing.


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[Andyk]

You know...don't really care anymore........Fed up with the **** from all of them.......As long as I have my slippers, a warm place to cr4p and dreams then ******** to them all.

 

[zagatoes30]

Neat move by the Tories to avoid a public fight for leader but I can't see them rushing to the polls for that very reason. Let the Labour party tear themselves apart in public. May has plenty of time to legitimise her PM ship

 

[highlander]

You know...don't really care anymore........Feed up with the **** from all of them.......As long as I have my slippers, a warm place to **** and dreams then ******** to them all.

Seconded......

 

[midlifecrisis]

I heard an interesting joke on 'Mock the week' which made me think. Some wise wag said that the old people generally voted for the 'Leave' campaign and than since the referendum 4,000 of them have since died.

I'd thought I'd look into this and the figure using last years death rate stats from the ONS show that the figure is actually higher at around 7,500 of 65 years old and older have died every week since the leave vote. Therefore if another referendum were to take place it should be done in August 2019...

Seriously though, I think in modern times in a time where there's no national or international crisis, such as war, a change in the majority party's leader and therefore Prime Minister should result in a General Election. May, Brown, Major (although he did get a later mandate from the Masses) Callaghan, Douglas-Home, have all become unelected PM's . So i'm not saying this from a politcal view point, we harp on about democracy in this country but ours is so limited.

 

[Jkulin]

Martin that is so true, however if say there had been 6 months notice of the Referendum then 195,000 had already had no say anyway

 

[Contigo]

Exactly it works both ways.

 

[MrMickS]

May has said that she won't call an election. Why should she, we vote for a local party candidate not a PM?

 

[CatmanV2]

May has said that she won't call an election. Why should she, we vote for a local party candidate not a PM?

It's not even clear that she *can* call one

C

 

[Chrisbassett]

It's still so much "up in the air" with so many questions yet to be answered.

- Can the PM invoke article 50 without a vote in the commons? We don't have a written constitution just conventions so it's down to interpretation and legal advice and we all know that's been so very reliable in the past...
- Would the EU Council accept the authority if the PM went ahead and did it anyway? They would need to make sure any action would stand up in courts
- If the commons is involved, do they need to have a binding vote or just be "consulted"?
- If it's a binding vote, and they choose to remain, WTF happens then?
- Is there such a thing as a binding (not advisory) referendum in the UK? We have a representative democracy, so theoretically such a thing isn't possible...or is it? I don't know.
- If so, would anyone call for one given the horror of the previous in/out campaign?

"post-factual" politics....might as well spend our time throwing rocks at a cage of agitated rival baboons.

 

[Spartacus]

The county voted out .We will be out . Get over it ;P