Are you worried yet.

[Swedish Paul]

They falsified the figures, 122 thousand today included 39 thousand that were POSTED OUT or filled in ONLINE today.
So really it was 83 thousand, just 4 thousand more than yesterday.
When pushed at 5pm today they capitulated then said that was always the way it was going to be. LIARS.
Please someone tell me I'm wrong and explain why.

Does it matter? If some were kits sent out but no results yet, does it matter?

I can’t believe we are all taken in by the spin. It’s an impossible situation, and everyone is an expert. But nobody is. Just be thankful that hopefully things are moving forwards. I hope and pray they are. I believe they are.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Things are moving forward, gone from 79K to 83K since yesterday.
I just would prefer not to have the spin. Don't lie to us, just tell the truth.
It is obvious what they are saying, it took two different reporters to get it out of them though.
If they were totally honest and said they didn't make the 100K target but it was now up to 83K I would respect them all more.
That's all, keep "ramping up".

 

[CatmanV2]

A blunt view...
More testing is good, a target was set, now more people are being tested (one way or another).
It's not worth over thinking.

But then we miss the opportunity to blame someone!

C

 

[Lavazza]

But then we miss the opportunity to blame someone!

C

Humour aside, no time for blame though is it?

I'm neither a fan of politicians or the media, just doing and achieving things that bring us to the right outcome.

 

[CatmanV2]

Humour aside, no time for blame though is it?

Well I'd like to think so. Feel like a minority most of the time.

C

 

[Wanderer]

Guided By Voices nailed it..

It’s A Game Of Pricks...

 

[Saigon]

The death rate is still shockingly above 700 today but there's more people on the roads. People are not observing social distancing in Sainsburys either. Are people fed up with it?

Very true, what I don’t really understand is the fact that we have been supposedly social distancing for so long now, where did the 739 who died today initially catch it. I can envisage where a percentage caught it, front line workers, care homes etc, but what about the rest. Were they ignoring common sense and exposing them selves (and others). I am in contact with others in Europe and the Far East due to work activities on a daily basis, and none can understand why the UK’s approach to social distancing is so lax, additionally can’t understand why we have been so reluctant to wear masks since day one, neither can I. Except for the fact that we didn’t have enough for our NHS, so the public have been forced into feeling that they are wrong wearing them. I think that is also going to change.

 

[Lavazza]

Very true, what I don’t really understand is the fact that we have been supposedly social distancing for so long now, where did the 739 who died today initially catch it. I can envisage where a percentage caught it, front line workers, care homes etc, but what about the rest. Were they ignoring common sense and exposing them selves (and others). I am in contact with others in Europe and the Far East due to work activities on a daily basis, and none can understand why the UK’s approach to social distancing is so lax, additionally can’t understand why we have been so reluctant to wear masks since day one, neither can I. Except for the fact that we didn’t have enough for our NHS, so the public have been forced into feeling that they are wrong wearing them. I think that is also going to change.

Daily deaths lag measures by weeks, if not months.
The whole masks thing isn't especially helpful, what are people thinking by heading out so much in the first place.
Where I live, it's easy to order online and collect without contacting anyone.
That said, most fit and reasonably healthy people will get through this virus OK in any case.
What's your view on Sweden?
(Think we're broadly in agreement btw).

 

[Wack61]

The death rate is still shockingly above 700 today but there's more people on the roads. People are not observing social distancing in Sainsburys either. Are people fed up with it?

It's all happening to somebody else , the numbers seem high but compared to the amount of people in the country they're not , simple answer is most people don't personally know anyone who has died so their patience is wearing thin, the papers have been full of doom and gloom , 4000 bed hospitals with nobody in them , they don't think it's going to affect them.

I went to leeds 2 weeks ago , it was like a sunday in 1979 , , same journey ,same time of day this week , I'd say it was 80% of normal , a lot of cars making the trip between manchester and leeds both ways.

 

[doodlebug]

The death rate is still shockingly above 700 today but there's more people on the roads. People are not observing social distancing in Sainsburys either. Are people fed up with it?

I noticed a big increase in the number of cars passing my house today and also a lot more people walking/running/cycling and ignoring the 2 metre isolation. I can't see the rules being relaxed any time soon, but it seems they are being relaxed despite the lock-down. I know I'm old, but the worst offenders apart from kids are old people. Don't they know how big 2 metres is?

 

[philw696]

 

[rockits]

When I see things like 'running at 50% capacity' all I see is loads of businesses going to the wall.

Lots of restaurants need 60-70% capacity to break even, most hotels need 40% occupancy to break even, so with 50% of the 100% open then that half the customers using the place which in turn will mean 20% of occupancy in hotels.

It'll end very badly imho.

Agreed....I don't see how it can be avoided now. It just seems the fallout is inevitable does it not?

 

[doodlebug]

Very true, what I don’t really understand is the fact that we have been supposedly social distancing for so long now, where did the 739 who died today initially catch it. I can envisage where a percentage caught it, front line workers, care homes etc, but what about the rest. Were they ignoring common sense and exposing them selves (and others). I am in contact with others in Europe and the Far East due to work activities on a daily basis, and none can understand why the UK’s approach to social distancing is so lax, additionally can’t understand why we have been so reluctant to wear masks since day one, neither can I. Except for the fact that we didn’t have enough for our NHS, so the public have been forced into feeling that they are wrong wearing them. I think that is also going to change.

From what I'm seeing, there are a lot of people not social distancing, whether it's because they don't understand the consequences, or don't know how big 2 metres is or something else,
I'm not surprised the numbers are increasing beyond what is expected. My sister-in-law is a prime example. She is elderly and lives in a retirement home and doesn't understand why she shouldn't go to every shop in her town and sit in the retirement home gardens with all the other residents. She doesn't have a clue what 2 metres is, even after I explained to her to imagine a really tall person lying on the ground between her and her neighbour.

 

[Silvercat]

It was widely publicised based on modelling figures from UCL- thats the only reason they locked down the country. They ideally wanted to keep the economy alive with a Swedish approach - but then realised it wouldn’t work here...

Well I must have been asleep then Iain as were so many others who have never heard of 500,000 as a mortality rate as a worst case scenario. That aside have you read 'The Spectator' article which I posted on this thread? It's very interesting and raises some serious questions around current UKG strategy.

 

[rockits]

We have tried to protect stupid people from themselves to a degree. Sometimes it is futile. This is becoming evident but often the end result affects the wrong people.

 

[Lavazza]

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Not sure it's quite that straight forward. There are a lot of complex factors involved.
Most of these countries, with the exception of Germany, have low populations. No mention of France or Italy.
If I were being cynical, it's a typical smart alec MP comment.

 

[Silvercat]

Very true, what I don’t really understand is the fact that we have been supposedly social distancing for so long now, where did the 739 who died today initially catch it. I can envisage where a percentage caught it, front line workers, care homes etc, but what about the rest. Were they ignoring common sense and exposing them selves (and others). I am in contact with others in Europe and the Far East due to work activities on a daily basis, and none can understand why the UK’s approach to social distancing is so lax, additionally can’t understand why we have been so reluctant to wear masks since day one, neither can I. Except for the fact that we didn’t have enough for our NHS, so the public have been forced into feeling that they are wrong wearing them. I think that is also going to change.

 

[Silvercat]

It was widely publicised based on modelling figures from UCL- thats the only reason they locked down the country. They ideally wanted to keep the economy alive with a Swedish approach - but then realised it wouldn’t work here...

If you read 'The Spectator' article I posted on this thread it may help to explain why UKG were probably just too late to do anything else other than adopt a lock down strategy.

 

[Silvercat]

Things are moving forward, gone from 79K to 83K since yesterday.
I just would prefer not to have the spin. Don't lie to us, just tell the truth.
It is obvious what they are saying, it took two different reporters to get it out of them though.
If they were totally honest and said they didn't make the 100K target but it was now up to 83K I would respect them all more.
That's all, keep "ramping up".

TBH I don't think it makes a jot of difference to any of the outcome stats.

 

[Silvercat]

Daily deaths lag measures by weeks, if not months.
The whole masks thing isn't especially helpful, what are people thinking by heading out so much in the first place.
Where I live, it's easy to order online and collect without contacting anyone.
That said, most fit and reasonably healthy people will get through this virus OK in any case.
What's your view on Sweden?
(Think we're broadly in agreement btw).

Read the article I posted on this thread from The Spectator ..serious food for thought.