Are you worried yet.

[Wattie]

I’ve just watched a really interesting news item on a “virtual hospital” that opened up here in Feb that has been treating covid patients- seems a great idea!

Patients are sent various medical appliances that they use at home to monitor their condition- the data is then sent to the hospital control centre and assessed. Distancing and care combined, keeping everyone safe.

AI called Jaguar Jonze an ambulance when her COVID-19 got worse

When her condition worsened after being diagnosed with coronavirus, acclaimed singer-songwriter Jaguar Jonze didn't want to call an ambulance. But someone monitoring her condition many kilometres away made the call for her.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Wattie]

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www-spectator-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

A fascinating perspective on the current lock down strategy.

Australia emerges from lockdown today, social distancing in place, no travel further than 50km. Small family groups/ 2 friends only.
We enter winter too so will this affect the "Virus spread" in Oz as so far we seem to have dodged a bullet. Luck or good strategy, both?
If numbers go up once more I hope they dont resort to lockdown again as thats only going to lead to an endless string of them.

 

[philw696]

 

[Silvercat]

I’ve just watched a really interesting news item on a “virtual hospital” that opened up here in Feb that has been treating covid patients- seems a great idea!

Patients are sent various medical appliances that they use at home to monitor their condition- the data is then sent to the hospital control centre and assessed. Distancing and care combined, keeping everyone safe.

AI called Jaguar Jonze an ambulance when her COVID-19 got worse

When her condition worsened after being diagnosed with coronavirus, acclaimed singer-songwriter Jaguar Jonze didn't want to call an ambulance. But someone monitoring her condition many kilometres away made the call for her.

www.abc.net.au

This seems to be a fantastic way of getting volume monitoring in place for large swathes of people who are feeling unwell without over burdening the health systems. TBH on the face of it we should adopt this approach in the UK and quickly.

 

[Wattie]

This seems to be a fantastic way of getting volume monitoring in place for large swathes of people who are feeling unwell without over burdening the health systems. TBH on the face of it we should adopt this approach in the UK and quickly.

It obviously requires a lot of tech and computer power but as a way of monitoring people at home and getting them assistance -if needed. Seems good.
The Uk experience on here seems to have been people being ill for days at home and then facing a decision do I or don’t I call an ambulance.
This system would allow staff to see the deterioration from a distance and make the correct calls.

 

[rockits]

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www-spectator-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

A fascinating perspective on the current lock down strategy.

That is a really interesting article and makes a heck of a lot of sense. I am quite aligned with its thinking.

I am quite amazed how short sighted, and flat 2 dimensional our reactive thinking has been on this. The thinking around lock down even the flat govt assisted funding has been very 'meh' for me. We have some amazingly clever and creative thinkers I am sure.....and this is the best strategy we can come up with in 2020?!

I am genuinely hugely disappointed at how much of a lack of creative thinking there is. Moan about Trump all we do but at least he tries to push the envelope of what is possible. Of course he has more basic failings than positive but that is a whole different issue.

Everyone seems so old and experienced often in this field and these are the people we often turn to to gain advice and consultancy from. The Spectator article is great for me and is coming from a very broad, wider and more creatively thinking angle.

Even today after being in my industry for over 25 years I often apply really off the wall, creative or unique thinking to every job/task. Kind of.....we have done it this way before and it has worked well. However is there a different, newer, better, simpler, cheaper, quicker, long lasting way. Can we improve on what we did historical ly? Can we improve on what we did yesterday or today?

I don't feel this lockdown is working so let's change the thoughts, ideas and execution. Or at least have some.didferent to this staid old narrow minded approach we seem to have taken. I do genuinely feel we have and are doing more harm than good now in the broader/wider picture.

It is just like Brexit all over again. We have created a plan that we think is right and are just tootling along down that path whistling away with no further massive creative thinking to change this until we get to the end. To me that is not good enough. So much time and money is going into pharma research/development to find a vaccine. That is too late. Testing is key for me to find real live actual meaningful data as to where we are.and what we are faced with. At the moment we are just p1ssing in the wind. Test the whole country and fast! We should have done this week's ago.

We seem to have a real lack of independent properly creative thinkers. Ones that really come up with thoughts and ideas that really really try innovate and be different.

Just frustrated often at how flat and sh1t some of our ideas are.

 

[lozcb]

About 6 weeks

 

[lozcb]

That is a really interesting article and makes a heck of a lot of sense. I am quite aligned with its thinking.

I am quite amazed how short sighted, and flat 2 dimensional our reactive thinking has been on this. The thinking around lock down even the flat govt assisted funding has been very 'meh' for me. We have some amazingly clever and creative thinkers I am sure.....and this is the best strategy we can come up with in 2020?!

I am genuinely hugely disappointed at how much of a lack of creative thinking there is. Moan about Trump all we do but at least he tries to push the envelope of what is possible. Of course he has more basic failings than positive but that is a whole different issue.

Everyone seems so old and experienced often in this field and these are the people we often turn to to gain advice and consultancy from. The Spectator article is great for me and is coming from a very broad, wider and more creatively thinking angle.

Even today after being in my industry for over 25 years I often apply really off the wall, creative or unique thinking to every job/task. Kind of.....we have done it this way before and it has worked well. However is there a different, newer, better, simpler, cheaper, quicker, long lasting way. Can we improve on what we did historical ly? Can we improve on what we did yesterday or today?

I don't feel this lockdown is working so let's change the thoughts, ideas and execution. Or at least have some.didferent to this staid old narrow minded approach we seem to have taken. I do genuinely feel we have and are doing more harm than good now in the broader/wider picture.

It is just like Brexit all over again. We have created a plan that we think is right and are just tootling along down that path whistling away with no further massive creative thinking to change this until we get to the end. To me that is not good enough. So much time and money is going into pharma research/development to find a vaccine. That is too late. Testing is key for me to find real live actual meaningful data as to where we are.and what we are faced with. At the moment we are just p1ssing in the wind. Test the whole country and fast! We should have done this week's ago.

We seem to have a real lack of independent properly creative thinkers. Ones that really come up with thoughts and ideas that really really try innovate and be different.

Just frustrated often at how flat and sh1t some of our ideas are.

About 6 weeks ago when i first donned my tin foil hat i was basically saying the exact same thing , with all the so called experts , and all the so called phenominal computing power that is at our disposal why havent we already ( or planned ) to determine the number of permutations of mutation and resultant intensity to cause mankind serious harm, surely it has to be better than looking to devise viruses for potential use in warfare ,

Recent exposee of the WHO shows they are really not fit for purpose in this day and age , and like the UN has it self mutated into something that suits a completely different agenda from its original purpose JMHO

 

[philw696]

Why because the Politicians are running the show and possibly not listening to all the scientific and medical advice is my guess.

 

[rockits]

It will be interesting to see a rough idea of excess mortality numbers over and above expected/likely normal mortality.

I suspect an early increase, then less so followed by a potential rise as we aren't treating patients that might normally have survived due to lack of admission then treatment.

The thinking is so basic it hurts when you compare the power we have in 2020 of Quantum Computing and Quantum AI.

The data analytics some of our private tech companies have is immense. Doesn't seem that we.are.using or applying much of this resource.

This really shouldn't be a big problem for us in 2020. If it was hit hard and fast in China it would have barely been a tickle.

We have become very complex and very simple in the same breath. Quite bizarre. However, we seem to have lost the ability to do complex and simple at the same time as required. Sometimes some elements are not complex and need simple thinking but sometimes we need to throw all the power we have in some other contrasting elements.

I really cannot believe how much of an effect over such a short period this has had. The core culprit is globalisation and mass migration/movements. Without this the virus would have been contained, localised and irradicted in weeks.

It is no surprise that so many NHS staff have been hit by the virus as the hospital is centralising the hardiest cases all in one concentrated hot bed of infection. If there was any risk assessment you would look it and think how can we disappate the effects of this. All NHS staff should be wearing full chemical suits with full breathing apparatus really. That is what you see in Hollywood movies with infectious diseases. Instead of giving billions of aid spend it at the source in the first place. You need to treat the primary source of the issue not offer secondary aid further down the line.

Due to the initial potential spike risk we did need an initial lock down I feel. However it needed to be faster and harder then possibly shorter. This herd immunity seems to make a lot of sense. With 100% or as close as we can get to national testing we would have a better actual picture.

It looks like you can't be infected twice of the same strain and early reports of double infections were found to be innacurate due to cr4p quality testing.

It just seems like the powers that be are allowing the virus to pretty much play out and hoping/praying for respite or natural reduction. Instead of grabbing the bull by the horns and telling the virus what you want it to be and shaping its future.

Seems to be the theme of the world these days. No real simple planning or strategy. Just let the population increase and amplify every problem we ever have. There is zero advantage to an ageing and ever growing population. Madness.

 

[lozcb]

Seems we have so many progams and permutations for the stock markets , agreed just seems bizzarre and totally illogical not apply the same with the research with the same ferocity into virology ,

Just maybe we need to look to this for the future once this present crisis is contained, i mean a long time ago it was possible to work out what was required to make coloured paints ( now we can determine 5000 different shades of any colour you like by a simple program) , i appreciate virology is a lot more complicated , but then our technology has leapt leeps and bounds and so has our science since then, we just need to have the determination, will and foresight to cover all these bases , whether on a global scale (maybe not as things become too blurred and uncontrollable and frightfully expensive), but definitely on a national level IMHO

 

[D Walker]

While out on my bike I solved the whole crisis..
Lockdown....your choice, stay at home, go out...do what you want. If you catch it, tough, was your choice to mingle....
Open everything.
Close the NHS and furlough all the staff.
Sorted....I’ve protected the NHS, and saved the economy......

Just need to convince 2nd cousin Donald to do same in US now.....

 

[rockits]

I agree. This will happen again and has happened in the past. Did we learn lessons from previous lesser impacting viruses? No clearly. Were we.prepared for another? No clearly.

My worry is we won't leave our lessons again or have learnt enough about this one to be any better.prepared next time.

There should have been a Tier 1 global emergency level response that was fast, hard and deep for a short period.

We know that the most vulnerable are the older population and those with underlying health conditions. They should have been locked down. The rest could have functioned.partially as normal possibly. It would have kept the economy ticking over and still protected a majority of those most at risk

One size does not fit all and you cannot apply a blanket policy to the whole country with all and sundry included. It requires a blended targeted approach.

We have been p1ssing in the wind from day one and still are now. We have wasted weeks and months of time with no clever strategy at all.

TEST TEST TEST! QUICKLY!

I thought the govt were doing an OK job in the main with a difficult problem in difficult times. Now I'm not.so sure. We have a habit of make big issues out of lesser ones. Y2K.....Brexit....

Y2K was comical!

 

[rockits]

If there was ever an immediate case for 5G.....this is it!

 

[Phil H]

Just need to convince 2nd cousin Donald to do same in US now.....

You're a duck?

PH

 

[rockits]

While out on my bike I solved the whole crisis..
Lockdown....your choice, stay at home, go out...do what you want. If you catch it, tough, was your choice to mingle....
Open everything.
Close the NHS and furlough all the staff.
Sorted....I’ve protected the NHS, and saved the economy......

Just need to convince 2nd cousin Donald to do same in US now.....

You may laugh but it is pretty simple and somewhat effective. It will never happens because the thinking is too dull and narrow. I'd entertain the idea and progress with testing it. Start in Middlesbrough

We seem to have lost the ability to think simply, creatively and with width/breadth.

 

[Silvercat]

That is a really interesting article and makes a heck of a lot of sense. I am quite aligned with its thinking.

I am quite amazed how short sighted, and flat 2 dimensional our reactive thinking has been on this. The thinking around lock down even the flat govt assisted funding has been very 'meh' for me. We have some amazingly clever and creative thinkers I am sure.....and this is the best strategy we can come up with in 2020?!

I am genuinely hugely disappointed at how much of a lack of creative thinking there is. Moan about Trump all we do but at least he tries to push the envelope of what is possible. Of course he has more basic failings than positive but that is a whole different issue.

Everyone seems so old and experienced often in this field and these are the people we often turn to to gain advice and consultancy from. The Spectator article is great for me and is coming from a very broad, wider and more creatively thinking angle.

Even today after being in my industry for over 25 years I often apply really off the wall, creative or unique thinking to every job/task. Kind of.....we have done it this way before and it has worked well. However is there a different, newer, better, simpler, cheaper, quicker, long lasting way. Can we improve on what we did historical ly? Can we improve on what we did yesterday or today?

I don't feel this lockdown is working so let's change the thoughts, ideas and execution. Or at least have some.didferent to this staid old narrow minded approach we seem to have taken. I do genuinely feel we have and are doing more harm than good now in the broader/wider picture.

It is just like Brexit all over again. We have created a plan that we think is right and are just tootling along down that path whistling away with no further massive creative thinking to change this until we get to the end. To me that is not good enough. So much time and money is going into pharma research/development to find a vaccine. That is too late. Testing is key for me to find real live actual meaningful data as to where we are.and what we are faced with. At the moment we are just p1ssing in the wind. Test the whole country and fast! We should have done this week's ago.

We seem to have a real lack of independent properly creative thinkers. Ones that really come up with thoughts and ideas that really really try innovate and be different.

Just frustrated often at how flat and sh1t some of our ideas are.

I whole heartedly agree with you. This article is one the best I have read and makes a lot of sense and the logic seems to stand up. I believe that Sweden are following a similar approach which might be one of the reasons why their numbers are so low.

 

[D Walker]

You may laugh but it is pretty simple and somewhat effective. It will never happens because the thinking is too dull and narrow. I'd entertain the idea and progress with testing it. Start in Middlesbrough

We seem to have lost the ability to think simply, creatively and with width/breadth.

Tbh Dean, I think they have in the Boro, TS3 is quite badly hit, but if I was a cynic, I’d say they’re a certain type in that area......
Luckily I’m 30 miles away now.....here via the van was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made...

 

[Oishi]

There is an interesting article today on something called the " Thousand Talents Plan" . It is China's plan to partner with (steal technology from) universities in the US (probably other places too, Australia was mentioned). Under the guise of research grants, the CCP requires the research depts. at university to " Abide by Chinese Law, Keep the contracts secret, Recruit other Postdocs, and sign over any intellectual property rights to the sponsoring Chinese Institutions". Under this program "Shadow Labs" are created in China to mirror government funded research in the US. The University of Texas is under investigation for this, and work it did with the lab in Wuhan. Very frightening.

 

[daverichardson]

You may laugh but it is pretty simple and somewhat effective. It will never happens because the thinking is too dull and narrow. I'd entertain the idea and progress with testing it. Start in Middlesbrough

We seem to have lost the ability to think simply, creatively and with width/breadth.

'ere I live in Middlesbrough!