Are you worried yet.

[lifes2short]

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UK now has highest coronavirus deaths in Europe as toll soars above Italy

Britain's coronavirus death toll is about 35% higher than previously reported, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics, meaning today's true total could be approaching 40,000

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[lozcb]

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UK now has highest coronavirus deaths in Europe as toll soars above Italy

Britain's coronavirus death toll is about 35% higher than previously reported, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics, meaning today's true total could be approaching 40,000

www.mirror.co.uk

Im really sceptical of these so called exaggerated figures being banded about , I belong to a few forums other than this one , and i havent yet heard of one single fatality in all of the last 2 months , less than 10 known or associated members have contracted + , as in Ryandoc and Harry's Missus on here , anyone else know of a 100% certainty a fatality as a direct result of Covid 19

 

[BennyD]

But depending on the circumstances it can be illegal to go for an Indian.

Unless you are a cowboy.

 

[lifes2short]

Im really sceptical of these so called exaggerated figures being banded about , I belong to a few forums other than this one , and i havent yet heard of one single fatality in all of the last 2 months , less than 10 known or associated members have contracted + , as in Ryandoc and Harry's Missus on here , anyone else know of a 100% certainty a fatality as a direct result of Covid 19

hard one, I do take some media news/reports with a pinch of salt, the old saying "tell the truth or someone will tell it for you"

 

[bigbob]

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UK now has highest coronavirus deaths in Europe as toll soars above Italy

Britain's coronavirus death toll is about 35% higher than previously reported, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics, meaning today's true total could be approaching 40,000

www.mirror.co.uk

I don't trust international data comparisons as we all look at and account for things differently. The UK was always going to be high as we an open society with lots of travel, have a diverse ethnic population and one that is skewed to major conurbations. Couple that with a higher dependency on care homes than, say, Italy then the care home impact was always going to be large when it was included.

What the government has to navigate is the medium to long term health consequences of the lock down (mental health and delayed treatment for oncology etc) versus CV19 effects. It is hard to say but most people go into care homes when they are within a year or so from death as the system cannot cope financially (state & private pay) with them being there longer. It is deeply sad and we will all have been touched by it at some stage in our lives but these deaths are different to the unexplained lottery of younger people not recovering.

 

[lifes2short]

Unless you are a cowboy.

 

[lozcb]

hard one, I do take some media news/reports with a pinch of salt, the old saying "tell the truth or someone will tell it for you"

Applying some simple logic there must be around 3-400 members read or contribute here on a regular basis , each one has friends and a family base of around 200 that totals around 80,000 people ...........the size of a medium size town , multiply that for the 3 forums that i contribute on and thats a virtually a quarter of a million people who havent reported one fatality as a direct result of contracting covid 19 ..................so whats really going on out there

 

[CatmanV2]

Applying some simple logic there must be around 3-400 members read or contribute here on a regular basis , each one has friends and a family base of around 200 that totals around 80,000 people ...........the size of a medium size town , multiply that for the 3 forums that i contribute on and thats a virtually a quarter of a million people who havent reported one fatality as a direct result of contracting covid 19 ..................so whats really going on out there

Just because they have not mentioned it, doesn't mean it's not happened. It has. Not to me, I hasten to add.

C

 

[lozcb]

Just because they have not mentioned it, doesn't mean it's not happened. It has. Not to me, I hasten to add.

C

Agreed , but unusual i would say over a couple of months ,

 

[CatmanV2]

Possibly, but I don't think your numbers really stack up. Yes probably 80,000 people but I suspect the active posters is much lower. There's 7k members here but Andyk and Frank are responsible (accountable) for over 10% of the total posts beween them.

The top 10 are accountable for nearly 40% of the total overall volume.

C

 

[CatmanV2]

Oh and looking at is another way: 30k deaths is roughly 3 weeks of 'normal' daily deaths. I wouldn't expect to hear of a death within my complete social circle every three weeks under normal circumstances. I've heard of 8 since this started. Not all CV related, mind

C

 

[lifes2short]

bugger me, this is getting confusing now with all these number and my heads starting to spin, i'm off to get my abacus

 

[lozcb]

Oh and looking at is another way: 30k deaths is roughly 3 weeks of 'normal' daily deaths. I wouldn't expect to hear of a death within my complete social circle every three weeks under normal circumstances. I've heard of 8 since this started. Not all CV related, mind

C

There's a contradiction there somewhere Catman, initially you say you wouldnt expect to hear of a death every 3 weeks , then you say you have heard of 8 since this started which equates to more than that , if thats the norm then surely that could be applied in general terms to most other people, what im saying it doesnt appear that way , ive heard of only one death (family and not at all Covid related at all ) for me there are too many grey un substantiated deaths being lumped in the Covid box , Im not saying this isnt real , and cant have dire consequences , but i think the figures are being vastly over estimated to substantiate what processes have to be enforced as it makes jo public conform that much easier. Time will tell and we will have a true insight in the years ahead

 

[Phil H]

Time will tell and we will have a true insight in the years ahead

I wouldn't bank on it.

PH

 

[CatmanV2]

There's a contradiction there somewhere Catman, initially you say you wouldnt expect to hear of a death every 3 weeks , then you say you have heard of 8 since this started which equates to more than that , if thats the norm then surely that could be applied in general terms to most other people, what im saying it doesnt appear that way , ive heard of only one death (family and not at all Covid related at all ) for me there are too many grey un substantiated deaths being lumped in the Covid box , Im not saying this isnt real , and cant have dire consequences , but i think the figures are being vastly over estimated to substantiate what processes have to be enforced as it makes jo public conform that much easier. Time will tell and we will have a true insight in the years ahead

There's no contradiction.

In a normal year I would not expect to hear of a death within 3 weeks within my extended social circle. This year, I am hearing of 2-3 per three week period within my extended social circle

That would bear out a significantly increased death rate nationwide, but is hardly conclusive proof.

C

 

[Alexpie]

I know of 2 people who have died on covid wards. I Don't know them personally, but family members of people I know.
Both of them old with underlying issues, so whether they died of the virus, or with the virus is anyone's guess. And I'm in Worcestershire so not exactly the epicentre !

 

[foibles]

there must be around 3-400 members read or contribute here on a regular basis , each one has friends.... of around 200 that totals around 80,000 people ..........

Woah!!

Maserati peeps are just not that popular. Or that likeable. Do what most do... Ignore those obnoxious effete ferrari wannabees. I do.

I recommended you all do as well.

 

[lozcb]

With todays technology its not rocket science to give out true and honest specific data, Im guessing if someone actually took the trouble to go through the number of death cerificates to see whether the deaths are a direct result of Covid 19 or deaths associated with a positive case of Covid 19 we would have a truer account of what is actually happening and why , ( providing doctors are actually sticking to the usual old format of recording deaths ) and not lumping all Covid + deaths in the same box so to speak ...............................I am truly sceptical why this crucial information isnt yet clearly readily available in the public domain , and begs the question as to why , does it suit government agenda for the figures to appear higher than what they actually might be , and for what purpose ,on the othe hand I for one agree with the nightingale hospitals regardless, they are a good short term insurance policy

Obviously the higher the death ratio , the more serious the public will conform to and not oppose vehemently to new regulations/law changes etc , surely all of these changes should be time specific.

Are we too far down the line to admit we have (some of the world have ) over reacted,

I dont like the idea of being treated like a lemming , or a mushroom , I just cant help the gut feeling something higher is pulling the strings in all this , if the world needs to change , or the economy needs to be reset or both I think most reasonable people providing they knew the true facts would conform anyway . Im just looking for answers

 

[Wanderer]

I don't know anyone or know anyone who's died of it.

 

[Wack61]

Im really sceptical of these so called exaggerated figures being banded about , I belong to a few forums other than this one , and i havent yet heard of one single fatality in all of the last 2 months , less than 10 known or associated members have contracted + , as in Ryandoc and Harry's Missus on here , anyone else know of a 100% certainty a fatality as a direct result of Covid 19

This is why the lockdown is starting to crack , nobody knows anybody personally who's even been ill let alone hospitalised.

I just been to Sheffield ,the place I was going to is at the end of a village , for the first time since this started I saw a police car at either end of the village with a car pulled over and the copper asking the occupants questions, presumably why they were out as I couldn't see any speed guns in use.