Meanwhile. On the Ukrainian border.

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allandwf

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Let them get on with it. Go back to pre social media when we would possibly read about it in the papers a week later.
 

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Meanwhile the French are deciding whether it is too soon to surrender, or should they wait until Putin looks in their direction.
 

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I think that if you check the press release that the Elysee Palace has just issued.
You'll find that the French have already issued an unconditional surrender.


The difference with this war is Germany won't be far behind them because they don't want their gas cut off, they get 60% from Russia I believe
 

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The difference with this war is Germany won't be far behind them because they don't want their gas cut off, they get 60% from Russia I believe
40%, I think. But still significant.

The UK gets 18% of its diesel (filth, spit, yuck!) from Russia.
 

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I wonder if zee Germans will turn their nuclear power stations back on...it was stupid idea in the first place. Especially after giving Fukushima as an excuse. Many were miles inland.
 

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I wonder if zee Germans will turn their nuclear power stations back on...it was stupid idea in the first place. Especially after giving Fukushima as an excuse. Many were miles inland.

Also, as far as I am aware, Fukushima massively exceeded its design parameters. And (to the best of my knowledge) no one died, or is even likely to be come ill as a direct result of radiation exposure. Although some died, effectively, of being caught in an industrial plant during an earthquake and tsunami. And now, due to the wearing of full body radiation gear:
As of 19 July 2011, 33 cases of heat stroke had been recorded.[75] In these harsh working conditions, two workers in their 60s have died from heart failure.

Of course, cancer in later life cannot at this point be ruled out

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I wonder if zee Germans will turn their nuclear power stations back on...it was stupid idea in the first place. Especially after giving Fukushima as an excuse. Many were miles inland.
Well, as you know. Germany is situated on a fault line between massive tectonic plates and is subject to frequent earthquakes. :rolleyes: Or, maybe certain German politicians were bought and paid for by the Stasi in Soviet times and since reunification, have been lent on, to sign deals favourable to Moscow. In return for unhindered progress on reunification. A quid pro quo, if you like.
 
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I wonder if zee Germans will turn their nuclear power stations back on...it was stupid idea in the first place. Especially after giving Fukushima as an excuse. Many were miles inland.

From what I understand the answer is a big fat no (it has been discussed when gas prices rocketed).

From my German guy in the know, he seems to think that the whole mechanism for implementing renewables in Germany (which is very tedious and far slower than it needs to be) will be accelerated significantly.
Which is good for me! :D

As they say, in times of war, there is money to be made!
 
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Reported by BBC News an hour ago. Liz Truss said, 'The UK will use "every lever at our disposal" to stop Russian President Vladimir Putin's threats against Ukraine, the foreign secretary said.'
Apparently in the Kremlin, they are laughing at us. I'd imagine, that in Ukraine, they're wondering what size of crack pipe we must be inhaling from, to utter such blatant rubbish.
I love our country and I despair of moves to dissolve the union. However, I have rarely been more ashamed of our government than I am today. A 'phoney war' has been conducted in Ukraine since the Russian invasion of 2014 and annexation of Crimea. Since this happened, in March 2014. What have we done to punish Russia? Almost nothing.
With Russia poised to annex more of Ukraine and perhaps the whole country, what have we done to counter Putin's assertion yesterday, that Ukraine has no right to exist. Almost nothing.
We are nothing, if not consistent. So, we ought not to be surprised if the Russian military gets the green light to send it's peacekeepers much deeper into Ukraine and perhaps to envelop the entire country.
What will we do then? Wring our hands and say it was inevitable and try to convince ourselves that there was nothing that we could have done to prevent it?

As I type this. I'm sitting looking out over lush green fields and hedgerows and it makes me ask myself whether nations and nationalities aren't at the root cause of most of our troubles as a species. I look at the rolling green hills outside and they remind me that we all exist together on a tiny fragile planet.
Nick Robinson flew to Kiev last night and the words of one young woman he spoke to, really resonated with me, this morning. She said that after growing up with an ever present threat of war with Russia. She felt that responding to aggression, with aggression wasn't the answer. The only answer was to respond with love.
All the Ukrainians want is to choose their own destiny. The same as every other human being on this planet.
Ukrainians have already paid for their freedom in blood. During both orange revolutions.
I fear that they're going to have to pay all over again. But this time the outcome will be determined by Russia's determination to resolve the Ukraine problem by force and the West's determination to do nothing.
 
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Reported by BBC News an hour ago. Liz Truss said, 'The UK will use "every lever at our disposal" to stop Russian President Vladimir Putin's threats against Ukraine, the foreign secretary said.'
Apparently in the Kremlin, they are laughing at us. I'd imagine, that in Ukraine, they're wondering what size of crack pipe we must be inhaling from, to utter such blatant rubbish.
I love our country and I despair of moves to dissolve the union. However, I have rarely been more ashamed of our government than I am today. A 'phoney war' has been conducted in Ukraine since the Russian invasion of 2014 and annexation of Crimea. Since this happened, in March 2014. What have we done to punish Russia? Almost nothing.
With Russia poised to annex more of Ukraine and perhaps the whole country, what have we done to counter Putin's assertion yesterday, that Ukraine has no right to exist. Almost nothing.
We are nothing, if not consistent. So, we ought not to be surprised if the Russian military gets the green light to send it's peacekeepers much deeper into Ukraine and perhaps to envelop the entire country.
What will we do then? Wring our hands and say it was inevitable and try to convince ourselves that there was nothing that we could have done to prevent it?

As I type this. I'm sitting looking out over lush green fields and hedgerows and it makes me ask myself whether nations and nationalities aren't at the root cause of most of our troubles as a species. I look at the rolling green hills outside and they remind me that we all exist together on a tiny fragile planet.
Nick Robinson flew to Kiev last night and the words of one young woman he spoke to, really resonated with me, this morning. She said that after growing up with an ever present threat of war with Russia. She felt that responding to aggression, with aggression wasn't the answer. The only answer was to respond with love.
All the Ukrainians want is to chose their own destiny. The same as every other human being on this planet.
Ukrainians have already paid for their freedom in blood. During both orange revolutions.
I fear that they're going to have to pay all over again. But this time the outcome will be determined by Russia's determination to resolve the Ukraine problem by force and the West's determination to do nothing.

I saw the interview. And Truss might as well have had a clown suit on. It was laughable with the rubbish she was coming out with.
Her threat/promise to rid London of 'dirty Russian money' suggests that they know there is dirty Russian money in the country and they have done nothing about it!
Laughable.

I heard something interesting yesterday that Russia had given the Ukraine 40billion, in 'compensation' for the Crimea annexation, to 'keep them sweet' and to not join NATO.
Yet the Americans have since given the Ukraine trillions of dollars in 'state aid' to curry favour and keep them on side.

The Russians (rightly so) are somewhat aggrieved and wanted the money back, to which the Ukrainians told them to do one, as they now have America and NATO on their side.

Let's see how that works out for them.......
 
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I saw the interview. And Truss might as well have had a clown suit on. It was laughable with the rubbish she was coming out with.
Her threat/promise to rid London of 'dirty Russian money' suggests that they know there is dirty Russian money in the country and they have done nothing about it!
Laughable.

I heard something interesting yesterday that Russia had given the Ukraine 40billion, in 'compensation' for the Crimea annexation, to 'keep them sweet' and to not join NATO.
Yet the Americans have since given the Ukraine trillions of dollars in 'state aid' to curry favour and keep them on side.

The Russians (rightly so) are somewhat aggrieved and wanted the money back, to which the Ukrainians told them to do one, as they now have America and NATO on their side.

Let's see how that works out for them.......
The City will seek to profit at every opportunity it's allowed to.
Slaves. Commodities. Financial instruments and systems.
Their immorality has never been in doubt.
We've been laundering Russian dirty money since Yeltsin
and probably an awful lot longer. Probably since the Czars.
The Russians have built up huge holdings of foreign currency
to lessen the effects of financial sanctions on the state's ability
to operate. Which leads me to the 40 billion you've mentioned.
Russia went down the road of installing it's own regime.
Then cutting off gas. Now the Russian military is edging
westwards. Testing Western resolve, as it goes.
I wouldn't be surprised if what you said is true, regarding
the 40 Billion. Nor would I be surprised to hear that Ukraine
overplayed their hand regarding NATO.
But, Russia has become a master at disinformation during
Putin's regime, so until the archives are opened up many
years from now, I wouldn't put money on it, either way.

Putin isn't especially bright, apparently. But he is utterly
paranoid and sees everything through the viewpoint of
his Cold War formative years post WWII and in the KGB.
He was the resident KGB officer in Dresden in 1991
when the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Faced with an angry
crowd of East Germans, intent on storming the KGB
building. He telephoned Moscow Centre for instructions.
Nobody was there. Nobody.
He is haunted by this and is determined that he will never
be forced to flee and his regime cease to exist. The loss of the USSR was
a complete humiliation to the KGB and other state
controlling organisations. And we really rubbed their noses in it.
Which they've never forgotten.
He's petrified of a western facing Ukraine leading to a
complete loss of control in Moscow, where he is hated.
So Ukraine is his line in the sand.
He's been telling the West this for over a decade.
At the same time as he's rebuilt parts of the Russian
military and attempted to destabilise the US, NATO
and any other entity which he perceives might be a
future threat.
Well, that future is now. He has his war chest of foreign
currency. He has a very fractured West, led by ineffective
leaders. And he has a military, just strong enough to
resist losing further control in what Russia regards as it's
sphere of influence. He's told us what he's prepared to do,
if we don't keep our noses out of his 'buffer states'.
So, we ought not to be surprised to find ourselves where
we are now.
While Russia is in the hands of an ex-KBG mafia, there is
little we can do apart from ferment regime change and
punish them as heavily as we can for all their cyber attacks
and anything else they do to destabilise the West.
And we (the West) must move to renewable energy sources faster,
plus nuclear, to lessen our reliance on Russian energy.
And we must frack. Fracking really scares the Russians.
That would be a real game changer.
But the above is dependent on real leadership.
Not merely an acceptance of the status quo.

Energy self reliance and isolation of Russia, China, North Korea
and Iran until they embrace democracy, is the only way forward.

Russia has done everything it can to destabilise the West, since 1945.
China has done the same and now it's destabilising the Far East
along with North Korea. Iran has destabilised the Middle East since
the Revolution. We have enabled all of the above. Through weak
leaders and misunderstanding the threats we face.
I see no sign of this changing.
 
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