New gas meter connection

[Dan!]

I may be somewhat biased, and have a Lamborghini shape hole in my garage currently... But with the impending boiler ban of 2025 (which means you'll struggle to maintain a fossil fuel boiler after then) a heat pump is the way forward.

Don't think I've mentioned that much recently, so I thought I'd just put it out there

 

[Silvercat]

Worcester Bosch have already developed domestic hydrogen powered boiler which is ready to go. I'm just hoping that some entrepenurual companies will be developing a conversion kit for older boilers so that we arent saddled with the cost of buying a new one.

 

[lozcb]

When I moved into my 'mansion' in Cumbria 7 years ago, the nearest gas main was c. 550m away. At the time I was quoted around £120 +VAT per metre to bring the mains connection to the house plus the cost of a new boiler. So on working up the various options and associated businesses cases, I opted to stick with Oil but fit a 80kw high efficiency boiler from Worcester Bosch. So not cheap by any stretch. But also don't forget that the price of oil has crashed over the last 3 months so I'm paying 26p/litre now while 6 months ago it was 56p/litre. I bet the unit price of gas hasnt come down anywhere near as much. Food for thought.

Yeah we have had the discussions and weighed up the pro's and cons thus far ,and will bite the bullet once all the final quotes are in, agreed the price of oil at present is at an all time low , but it does depend on ones ability to store large quantities of oil to benefit long term to make a decent saving, i would say that the tank there is only around a 1000-1500 ltrs at best, there are no guarantees either way

 

[lozcb]

Excellent service thus far from Cadent gas contractors , both quotes recieved this morning

1)New gas service pipe: £2481.00 Total savings: £1546.00 Subtotal: £935.00 VAT charged at 20.00%: £187.00 Price you pay: £1122.00

2)New gas service pipe: £2481.00 Total savings: £1901.30 Subtotal: £579.70 VAT charged at 20.00%: £115.94 Price you pay: £695.64

For minimal saving of £400 its a no brainer to put all the responsibilty in their court so to speak

 

[GeoffCapes]

I may be somewhat biased, and have a Lamborghini shape hole in my garage currently... But with the impending boiler ban of 2025 (which means you'll struggle to maintain a fossil fuel boiler after then) a heat pump is the way forward.

Don't think I've mentioned that much recently, so I thought I'd just put it out there

The boiler ban will never happen (or not for many years). Will cost too much to implement it. That's what BEIS have told us anyway (off the record of course, the BRE have acknowledged the same, even though it's in their best interests to push anything that will make them more money, which boilers don't).
What will happen is the boilers will have to be a certain level of efficiency.

 

[Dan!]

The boiler ban will never happen (or not for many years). Will cost too much to implement it. That's what BEIS have told us anyway (off the record of course, the BRE have acknowledged the same, even though it's in their best interests to push anything that will make them more money, which boilers don't).
What will happen is the boilers will have to be a certain level of efficiency.

Weird, given that they published a paper in 2018 outlining the Future Framework for Energy in Buildings:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...k_for_Heat_in_Buildings_Govt_Response__2_.pdf


And then this published at the end of last year:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...5/Future_Homes_Standard_2019_Consultation.pdf

Containing this:

The Future Homes Standard specification

2.15. Before we introduce the Future Homes Standard in 2025, we will consult on the full technical details and the associated impact assessment with costings.
However, to provide an indication of our expectation for the Future Homes Standard, we anticipate that an average semi-detached home built to meet the Standard would produce 75- 80% less carbon dioxide emissions than one built to the 2013 Part L requirements.

2.16. To achieve this, we would expect the home to have low carbon heating, and higher levels of energy efficiency. This would typically mean that a new home built to the Future Homes Standard would have a heat pump, a waste water heat recovery system, triple glazing and minimum standards for walls, floors and roofs that significantly limit any heat loss.

2.17. However, we will set the Future Homes Standard in performance terms, such as minimum levels of primary energy and CO2 emissions, limiting fabric standards and building services standards, without prescribing the technologies to be used. This allows housebuilders the flexibility to innovate and select the most practical and costeffective solutions in particular circumstances.

2.18. As we move towards a decarbonised electricity grid, homes built to the Future Homes Standard will become net zero carbon over time with no need for further adaptations or changes, as they will not be reliant on fossil fuels for their heating.

 

[GeoffCapes]

Weird, given that they published a paper in 2018 outlining the Future Framework for Energy in Buildings:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...k_for_Heat_in_Buildings_Govt_Response__2_.pdf


And then this published at the end of last year:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...5/Future_Homes_Standard_2019_Consultation.pdf

Containing this:

The Future Homes Standard specification

2.15. Before we introduce the Future Homes Standard in 2025, we will consult on the full technical details and the associated impact assessment with costings.
However, to provide an indication of our expectation for the Future Homes Standard, we anticipate that an average semi-detached home built to meet the Standard would produce 75- 80% less carbon dioxide emissions than one built to the 2013 Part L requirements.

2.16. To achieve this, we would expect the home to have low carbon heating, and higher levels of energy efficiency. This would typically mean that a new home built to the Future Homes Standard would have a heat pump, a waste water heat recovery system, triple glazing and minimum standards for walls, floors and roofs that significantly limit any heat loss.

2.17. However, we will set the Future Homes Standard in performance terms, such as minimum levels of primary energy and CO2 emissions, limiting fabric standards and building services standards, without prescribing the technologies to be used. This allows housebuilders the flexibility to innovate and select the most practical and costeffective solutions in particular circumstances.

2.18. As we move towards a decarbonised electricity grid, homes built to the Future Homes Standard will become net zero carbon over time with no need for further adaptations or changes, as they will not be reliant on fossil fuels for their heating.

Ahhh no boilers in new homes. As opposed to a ban on boilers. There are 26-29m domestic properties (give or take) in the UK, not to mention the 19 million+ commercial boilers in operation in the UK alone, the cost top replace them runs to trillions, without even mentioning installation costs and the the gas networks etc.

As I said, won't happen.

Might for new properties, but I'd bet on it not becoming legislation for 2025. 2030 Maybe?

 

[rossyl]

Reminds me of the great radio AM/FM switch off and DAB only....

tunes into Radio 4 on 30yr old radio set

 

[Dan!]

Ahhh no boilers in new homes. As opposed to a ban on boilers. There are 26-29m domestic properties (give or take) in the UK, not to mention the 19 million+ commercial boilers in operation in the UK alone, the cost top replace them runs to trillions, without even mentioning installation costs and the the gas networks etc.

As I said, won't happen.

Might for new properties, but I'd bet on it not becoming legislation for 2025. 2030 Maybe?

It's completely unfeasible and impossible to ban the use of existing boilers in existing homes, of course it's only new homes. Given that you work in the energy sector I'm flabbergasted that you were not aware or understand this??? And as for whatever you were told by BEIS and BRE, what were they talking about??

Now, for all those existing boilers, they will over time need to be replaced and then for them the only option will be a renewable heat source. The interesting thing will be to see how many will need to be replaced prematurely due to parts not being available to maintain them. I feel a scrappage scheme coming on!

 

[Oneball]

The ban is only gas boilers so presumably people will just use electric ones, is that not the intention?

 

[lozcb]

Like with most things that invoke change , they will become cheaper the closer it gets to cut off time, worth me buying a spare , i reckon at best ive got 15 years left , after that i will be too vacant and dribbly to know if im cold or not and probably wont care ,

 

[Silvercat]

Yeah we have had the discussions and weighed up the pro's and cons thus far ,and will bite the bullet once all the final quotes are in, agreed the price of oil at present is at an all time low , but it does depend on ones ability to store large quantities of oil to benefit long term to make a decent saving, i would say that the tank there is only around a 1000-1500 ltrs at best, there are no guarantees either way

It's a good point Loz. We had x2 2500 lt tanks when we moved in 7 years ago but I could never understand why. So I got rid of one and sold it on Ebay for £500. But now the price of oil is so cheap I wish I had kept it so I could stockpile oil for the coming winter. I normally use between 5500 and 7000lts of oil a year so there would have been big savings to be had. Sadly I'm now limited to x1 2500lt tank.

 

[Silvercat]

It's completely unfeasible and impossible to ban the use of existing boilers in existing homes, of course it's only new homes. Given that you work in the energy sector I'm flabbergasted that you were not aware or understand this??? And as for whatever you were told by BEIS and BRE, what were they talking about??

Now, for all those existing boilers, they will over time need to be replaced and then for them the only option will be a renewable heat source. The interesting thing will be to see how many will need to be replaced prematurely due to parts not being available to maintain them. I feel a scrappage scheme coming on!

My boiler is just 7 years old and given that its just a simple oil fired boiler I was told by Worcester Bosch engineervthat it would be good for 30 years. Nothing really to goes wrong with them. So here's hoping!

 

[lozcb]

Just squeezing various Solicitors for the legals for buying and selling quotes , seems once the estate agents are in the game ive had over 20 calls from various solicitors and surveyors all referalls from the estate agents involved etc ,.......................................every single time ive found cheaper elsewhere , they treat it as money for old rope , best ive got so far with all fees included is £1250 plus vat