I'd give up now

bigbob

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A rather decent review from Car magazine that also seems to get why people might choose the Ghibli

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/maserati/maserati-ghibli-diesel-2016-review/


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I read that and thought the same. The Ghibli is a fine car and I understand why it sells. The earlier comment about this forum bashing the Ghibli and QPVI is valid, however, it has always been a place that represses minority view and is fast becoming a forum purely for the pursuit of big exhausts, other 'sports mods', older cars and the perpetual belief that a Maserati is only sporty if it has a automated single clutch gearbox.

A more inclusive attitude to those with the current range of cars, the 'wrong' gearbox and unmodded cars would make it more appealing and better - and more successful - in the long run.
 
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Mine is a bog standard QPV GT Exec Auto, no mods and I love it to bits. I think any mods such as different exhaust detract from the car.
After all I bought it because I liked the look and feel as it was.
Just my opinion don't you know
 

keith

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I read that and thought the same. The Ghibli is a fine car and I understand why it sells. The earlier comment about this forum bashing the Ghibli and QPVI is valid, however, it has always been a place that represses minority view and is fast becoming a forum purely for the pursuit of big exhausts, other 'sports mods', older cars and the perpetual belief that a Maserati is only sporty if it has a automated single clutch gearbox.

A more inclusive attitude to those with the current range of cars, the 'wrong' gearbox and unmodded cars would make it more appealing and better - and more successful - in the long run.

I agree, and it makes a change to read a positive review! The forum would appear to have been started with of owners of classic Maseratis, and as such the launch of new relitivly mass market cars with Diesel engines, will be seen to dilute the brand.
When Jaguar launched the cheaper 4 cylinder Diesel engined XF, I felt it a shame they were going down market. And I can remember last year going to look at the XE at my local dealer, and thinking the large number of people looking over the new car in the showroom weren't the 'usual' Jaguar customer! However it's clear my thoughts were completely ridiculous and in some sense just mark me out as some kind of daft snob!! Similarly on the same day I went to Marenello in Eghamto look at the Ghibli, and being struck by all the vastly more expensive cars sitting in the showroom. To the staff I was very much the 'XE' customer. In fact half way through my pre arranged appointment, the salesman said he would have to go as his next customer had arrived early! Although in fairness he subsequently arranged to loan me a car to try for a few hours. He eventually lost the sale over price...
The point of my ramblings, it's human nature to think your group/club/brand is being spoilt by a different customer/product.
However, like Jaguar who want to attract say 3 series owners, are also very happy to attract into the marque the owners of Mondeos and Insignias; Maserati will be equally happy to sell cars to owners from Diesel executive cars that traditionally would not have been a rival. Without people like me the long term viability of the name would be in grave doubt.
 

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I read that and thought the same. The Ghibli is a fine car and I understand why it sells. The earlier comment about this forum bashing the Ghibli and QPVI is valid, however, it has always been a place that represses minority view and is fast becoming a forum purely for the pursuit of big exhausts, other 'sports mods', older cars and the perpetual belief that a Maserati is only sporty if it has a automated single clutch gearbox.

A more inclusive attitude to those with the current range of cars, the 'wrong' gearbox and unmodded cars would make it more appealing and better - and more successful - in the long run.

It makes a change to read a review where the reviewer gets the point of the Ghibli and the fact that its ok to be different to the German brands. I particularly liked the references to the steering which is different, but does give you feedback once you've learnt to recognise it. I'm driving mine with more confidence now that I've done 12500 miles and have a much better idea of what its trying to tell me. I'm hoping to increase that on the 20th.

I think that there is always a certain snobbery towards classics, be it cars, music, or anything else. I've forgotten number of times I heard, "yeah but I liked them before they had a hit", when I was younger. There's also a resistance to change even if its necessary. I think that's just human nature. I feel welcome here, even if I have a new car and lead people along muddy roads ;)

PS: I'd really like a H-Pipe but not until its out of warranty
 

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I think there will come a point when the ghibli diesel will become an affordable keeper for the enthuiast , I assume the diesel is a bought in engine so should be reasonable to service and repair

It's the 3.0 CRD lump out of the Jeep range as far as I'm aware.
 

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Current Ghiblis and QPs have missed the boat and sales will remain flat until someone in the boardroom puts a bit of passion back into the brand, and that won't be anytime soon which is precisely why the Alfieri faded away. They've made a half-hearted attempt to compete with the likes of Mercedes, BMW, et al, forgetting that those companies captured that sector long ago; if you're the new kid on the block you'd better have something extra special to offer and a posh badge was clearly not enough. As for the Levante, it's nice, but is it nice enough to balance the books? I don't think so.

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MrMickS

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That's a particularly bleak outlook. Fiat had better shut the doors and hide the key eh?

It was always going to take time for the Ghibli etc to penetrate the market. A lack of general marketing hasn't helped. However the dealers are selling them, they are also selling Levantes.

The Ghibli, as has been said, is much maligned on here and pretty unfairly unless your only knowledge comes from reviews.


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Current Ghiblis and QPs have missed the boat and sales will remain flat until someone in the boardroom puts a bit of passion back into the brand, and that won't be anytime soon which is precisely why the Alfieri faded away. They've made a half-hearted attempt to compete with the likes of Mercedes, BMW, et al, forgetting that those companies captured that sector long ago; if you're the new kid on the block you'd better have something extra special to offer and a posh badge was clearly not enough. As for the Levante, it's nice, but is it nice enough to balance the books? I don't think so.

PH

Phil, how much time have you spent driving Ghiblis and QPs exactly...??
 

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Phil, how much time have you spent driving Ghiblis and QPs exactly...??

Indeed, I've driven the Petrol and Diesel Ghibli's and they are good cars. I've been in a QP with you so that's all I need to know :D
 

bigbob

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Current Ghiblis and QPs have missed the boat and sales will remain flat until someone in the boardroom puts a bit of passion back into the brand, and that won't be anytime soon which is precisely why the Alfieri faded away. They've made a half-hearted attempt to compete with the likes of Mercedes, BMW, et al, forgetting that those companies captured that sector long ago; if you're the new kid on the block you'd better have something extra special to offer and a posh badge was clearly not enough. As for the Levante, it's nice, but is it nice enough to balance the books? I don't think so.

PH

Not sure I'm aware of what the impact of Levante will be on the Maserati or indeed FCA bottom line. Personally I think they have nailed the SUV market pretty well here and I hope it succeeds to give more cash to invest in coupes and cabriolets.
 

Phil H

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Yep, the haters are back.......

OK, let’s deal with a couple of factual points first.

I have never said I hate any cars of the current Maserati range, and neither have I ever said the current range offers bad cars, on the contrary, in terms of style and build quality I’ve been very complimentary about most of them. It’s not the cars’ competence I’m questioning, but their raison d’ȇtre.

A long time ago on another thread I did say, with reference to the diesels, that if I wanted a BMW I’d buy a BMW. The reality though is that diesel days may soon be on the decline anyway, and for my money a diesel doesn’t easily fit the original Maserati profile no matter how good it is.

No Maf I’ve not driven any of the current range, but have not been encouraged to do so either. I first saw the pre-launch Ghibli and QP at Goodwood, left my details, and never heard another thing. Some time ago I toyed with the idea of running a business Ghibli and paid Dick Lovett’s a visit. The receptionist said she’d see if she could find someone to talk to me about it, and eventually I was approached by a sales guy who’d probably sized me up by the X-Type outside and decided I wasn’t worth the effort. A request for a brochure was met with ‘”I’m not sure that we have any”. I pressed and he eventually found one, telling me that I should get in touch if interested! I didn’t expect a red carpet, or a fanfare of trumpets, but the point is that he didn’t know my status or potential as a customer, though I did tell him that I had a 4200 (perhaps that was the killer).

Just a few yards away is DL’s Porsche showroom, and the experience when I visited that with my grandson a little later was a revelation. Without being pushy, a couple of sales folk asked if I was interested in any particular model, and I explained that I was only browsing. “No problem sir, if a car takes your fancy just let us know and we’ll line it up for you if you’d like a test drive”. I declined the offer, but as we were leaving my grandson was given a goodie bag and posters and it was a case of “Just let us know if you change your mind sir, we’ll be pleased to help”. Same company, same site, totally different attitude.

Now for reasons I won’t bore you with I probably know more about the Lovett group than most on here; I’ve watched them grow from a tiny outfit in the sixties to the multi-franchise operation they have now, and that growth didn’t happen by accident. But judging by my experience why would anyone bother with Maserati when the competition (including DL’s own BMW franchise) will welcome buyers with open arms, and Grange Jaguar of Swindon are all over me like a rash if I visit their showroom. Make no mistake, Jaguar do have a very impressive line-up, though I’m not keen on their labour rates at £125/hr +VAT.

Maserati has a cracking pedigree and could so easily capitalise on their heritage to promote and make the Alfieri and other sports cars, but they’ve chosen to go up against established competitors in a very tough market, presumably because soulless accountants dictated a strategy that’s not exactly sparkled.

A few months ago an American automotive analyst said "Maserati has a name that's very niche, and it sells in a market segment that's not deep anyway. That gets you an initial boost, and then after that the cliff is really steep." Since then production has been cut…..

Being an old git I’ve watched Maserati for a few decades, and the most impressive event was the introduction of the 3200gt which revived the company’s fortunes, ultimately leading to the well-received QPV, GT, and GC. Then some clown thought ‘let’s go head to head with established players in the volume market’, oh and ‘forget the Alfieri for now as we’ve got SUV’s to think about’. If you’re going to do that you might at least ensure you have a robust sales network and deliver the product and service you promise in the volumes you aim for.

I’d love to see the marque truly flourish, I really would, but some time ago I said that Maserati doesn’t seem to know what it wants to be and I see nothing to change that view.

Think about this Maf: Let’s say that you can only keep one of your Maseratis, will it be the Ghibli?

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MrMickS

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So a bad dealer colours all of Maserati. I had a very different experience even though I turned up in a 5 year old Alfa Giulietta. The sales team couldn't do enough and in fact encouraged me to look at the more expensive S. I've had calls to ask how I'm getting on.

The Ferrari salesman at the same place however looked at us like we were a bad smell. I'd love to earn/win enough money to be able to go back and tell him that I'm buying one but not from him.

It's going to take time for Maserati to establish a name outside their normal narrow market. They seem to be making progress, albeit slowly, judging from the number of Ghiblis that the local dealer seems to be selling.


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Phil H

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So a bad dealer colours all of Maserati.

Not really. Many moons ago I made a firm appointment with Meridien to view a Maserati they'd advertised. It's an hour's drive to their showroom, and when I arrived the car was nowhere to be seen. I was told 'Sorry, it's in the workshop, you'll have to call again'. Needless to say I didn't.

WRT Maserati's current operation; they have chosen to take on established brands where there's a lot of competition. To succeed they should emphasise customer service with their franchises and that doesn't seem to be happening; I'm not the first on this thread to say so.

They also need to remember the old business philosophy that it takes forever to build a good reputation, but only a heartbeat to destroy one.

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MrMickS

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Like I said my experience couldn't have been more different to yours. I've been to the dealers a few times with niggles and every time they've been happy to chat, keep me topped up with coffee. Way better than the local Alfa dealer who didn't give a stuff once you'd bought a car.


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