3200 for sale after short ownership

Parisien

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I agree that there's a ceiling price, but

.........I know Nigw........would be interesting to know what he tried to sell it for before............and we've seen it before.....stubborn sellers....who spend 18mths trying to sell the car for a price that they reckon the car is worth...but the market begs to differ............and now has brought the price down(?)...see what happens.


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Sorry, seeming argumentative today! But, I think it's precisely the opposite.....the concept of spending £2.5k in impending maintenance on a 4/5 year old £20k car is far more palatable than spending the same amount on a 10/11 year old £10k car.

Debate is good Nigw................arguing is where its verging on the physical....;)...;)

4/5 yr old cars need to be virtually perfect...........hence the stamped up book.......................but people baulk at spend 1/3 the value of a car on brakes and service pa just to keep it on the road.......


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It will add value to a car say4/5 years old..........but now they are nearing the bottom of the value cycle......................nothing like the same effect...............thus why he cant sell it........!


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Give the guy a break...he's only been trying to sell it for 4 days!

Last time it was being sold by a dealer, and the purchaser came on here (or MF) looking for advice. It's the same pictures, but it's a private sale - presumably by the person that bought it last.
 

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MAF...had a browse through the other 3200s on the PH site................my comment stands..................based on those prices......sure there are a few above and a few below............and at these prices top end versus bottom end may only be 2 K or so.

They have gateway episodes, both in the mind of the buyer and the market.

First is year.................now over 10 yrs old.

Second is mileage......50 k ...then 60K...........people get sacred off.........cos if they can just about to afford to buy this car....can they afford 3 K to put something which broke wrong?...answer usually no.

Hence their value...............its been on sale for a while.......no takers.............now the seller is that despondent, he's prepared to SORN it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What does that tell you about the seller...the market AND any buyer?!

These are things the seller and market have decided......NOT MOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We both have our opinions....................and they remain just that..........................ignorance aside....IMHO........:)


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Agree on opinions, that what makes debate interesting & fun.

Maseratis generally don't sell quickly unless they are an absolute bargain (rare) or happen to be the perfect spec/colour etc. for a buyer. They are uncommon cars and almost every one is different, hence the appeal can be lower and the car takes longer to find it's perfect buyer.

3200 values are less affected by year, much more on condition and provenance. The earliest 3200 is 12 years old, the youngest 8 - not much difference. Mileage opinions vary wildly - a garage queen that's done very little mileage and could start to play up when used more regularly could equally scare off a buyer from a high-miler. 60k is nothing for these cars, there are plenty around with similar and higher mileage that cause their owners no problems. Cam chain service required at 68k - some never bother and some do. The cost of this has come down considerably in recent years and is less to be scared of. Your point about people scraping their last pennies together to buy a car which they cannot afford to run applies to any car ever made. I don't understand it's relevance in your valuation of a car which has just had thousands spent on maintenance?
How do you know the seller is despondent? Have you spoken to him or is this more supposition made public due to ignorance? You don't know the seller's state of mind or reason for sale - don't speculate wildly with nothing to back it up. For all you know he's working abroad/whatever and will lock the car away until his return. You say the car has been on sale for a while - the advert is 4 days old!
You ask what that says about the seller, the market and any buyer. I'll answer with my opinion - it says the seller has prepared a car well for sale. He's given good information about the car and has spent money recently on it to keep it well-maintained. He has stated that he's not open to silly offers and will take the car off the road if it doesn't sell.
It says the market hasn't yet responded to an advertisement that is just 4 days old for a rare, specialist supercar that may or may not suit every potential 3200 buyer due to colour combination and gearbox. How quickly do you expect this to sell Frank? Do you get despondent if you don't sell a car in 4 days?
I don't know what your statement says about any buyer, it's nonsense to speculate.
All I can see is that the seller has decided is to sell his rather nice looking, well-maintained 3200 for a reasonable price. Unless you know more, or can read something in the ad I haven't seen? The market has decided nothing.

I sold my 3200 earlier this year, having first put it up for sale late last year. It was arguably one of the very best on the market at the time, having excellent provenance and money spent where required (and then some!). It took around 5 months to sell, achieving very close to the asking price. I wasn't despondent, just waiting for the right buyer to come along who really wanted the car which is what happened.

I stand by my view that you have made comments without any justification, substantiation or sufficient knowledge and that some of these comments are damaging to Maserati values.
 

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Give the guy a break...he's only been trying to sell it for 4 days!

Last time it was being sold by a dealer, and the purchaser came on here (or MF) looking for advice. It's the same pictures, but it's a private sale - presumably by the person that bought it last.


So what was it being sold for then?....sure 4 days....is a mere blip.....but his patience seems limited...threatening to SORN it!


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Parisien

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Agree on opinions, that what makes debate interesting & fun.

Maseratis generally don't sell quickly unless they are an absolute bargain (rare) or happen to be the perfect spec/colour etc. for a buyer. They are uncommon cars and almost every one is different, hence the appeal can be lower and the car takes longer to find it's perfect buyer.

3200 values are less affected by year, much more on condition and provenance. The earliest 3200 is 12 years old, the youngest 8 - not much difference. Mileage opinions vary wildly - a garage queen that's done very little mileage and could start to play up when used more regularly could equally scare off a buyer from a high-miler. 60k is nothing for these cars ( agree.......but a milestone in their life....costs a lot to service/maintain....high proportion of their overall value...a huge negative in selling high end marques), there are plenty around with similar and higher mileage that cause their owners no problems. Cam chain service required at 68k - some never bother and some do. The cost of this has come down considerably in recent years and is less to be scared of. Your point about people scraping their last pennies together to buy a car which they cannot afford to run applies to any car ever made. I don't understand it's relevance in your valuation of a car which has just had thousands spent on maintenance? ( I am not valuing it........am just going by what other similar cars are being sold for....none are my value...!!!)
How do you know the seller is despondent( ok.....poor choice of word......but every one has a reason....BUT threatening to SORN it....IS a DESPONDENT action.....don't you agree???!!!!...)? Have you spoken to him or is this more supposition made public due to ignorance? You don't know the seller's state of mind or reason for sale - don't speculate wildly with nothing to back it up. For all you know he's working abroad/whatever and will lock the car away until his return. You say the car has been on sale for a while - the advert is 4 days old! ( Please don't take umbrage on behalf of the seller MAF)
You ask what that says about the seller, the market and any buyer. I'll answer with my opinion - it says the seller has prepared a car well for sale. He's given good information about the car and has spent money recently on it to keep it well-maintained. He has stated that he's not open to silly offers and will take the car off the road if it doesn't sell.
It says the market hasn't yet responded to an advertisement that is just 4 days old for a rare, specialist supercar that may or may not suit every potential 3200 buyer due to colour combination and gearbox. How quickly do you expect this to sell Frank? Do you get despondent if you don't sell a car in 4 days?.(....sure if it doesnt sell I ALWAYS SORN my car...what about you???!!!)
I don't know what your statement says about any buyer, it's nonsense to speculate.
All I can see is that the seller has decided is to sell his rather nice looking, well-maintained 3200 for a reasonable price. Unless you know more, or can read something in the ad I haven't seen? The market has decided nothing.

I sold my 3200 earlier this year, having first put it up for sale late last year. It was arguably one of the very best on the market at the time, having excellent provenance and money spent where required (and then some!). It took around 5 months to sell, achieving very close to the asking price. I wasn't despondent, just waiting for the right buyer to come along who really wanted the car which is what happened.

I stand by my view that you have made comments without any justification, substantiation or sufficient knowledge and that some of these comments are damaging to Maserati values.


....and neither of us is fully right.........................only the ultimate buyer......................and we won't be party to that.......................mere commentators on the sidelines..............does it bother me.....not really....:)

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Parisien

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I think it might've been nearer £13k than £12k, but then it was from a dealer - 3200 prices are pretty steady, so seems reasonable.



Pure guesswork Frank, guesswork!

NOT guesswork.......................

"No canvassers or silly offers - the car will be SORN'd if it does not sell."........FACT!


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MAF260

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Please stop speculating wildly about things you have absolutely no knowledge of.

How would any member trying to sell their car on here feel if everyone joined in and made assumptions about their financial status and mental health and drove the value of their car to nothing, making alarmist comments for no apparent reason?
 
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MAF260

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I can't stand seeing comments being written on here with nothing to substantiate them and have a low threshold of tolerance for those who appear to want to continue posting rubbish and arguing for the sake of it.

I've made my point and given my opinion, even used facts. I have no further comment on this thread.
 
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Andyk

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OK..Everyone has an opinion as it should be..............The one think I will say is that 3200's have started to sell..lots moving on PH even the light blue one that was up for ages...OK he started at 12k and dropped the price to 10750 so probably took less than that. I supose its worth remembering that the grey one is up for 12k but thats a starting place and I'm sure the chap will take less so if a good car then it could be a cheap car.....Fter an inspection obviously...
 

Parisien

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No one knows the full story on this car, I've not seen it, has anyone else?

Until someone has, or its had an indie inspection, only then can a rough value of its worth be formed.

I don't know all the facts, no one does...I've never seen this car before comment on it, can only form an opinion based on what in the advert and what others have said about it, and if need be read between the lines.

MAF....if you wish to edit post no 32 I would be grateful.


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Spike62

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Selling after 6 months should not ring alarm bells! I have owned over 50 cars in 31 years of driving and love to change often so I can experiance the vast range of models and brands available. I would consider selling mine now not because there was any fault but finding it very difficult to justlfy the 18 mpg. Of course we all know that when we enter into this market but when you use it for a 40 mile daily commute it becomes a little hard to justify. The 3200 has been by far the best car I have ever owned and I have enjoyed and will continue to enjoy every minute of ownership.
 

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Guys,

These cars are just that CARS...OK we like them, some even love them...but at the end of the day they are machines that will wear-out, unless you refurbish them.

In time most 3200 will rust away, as will the 4200, GS, GT and every other one that comes out.

I have yet to see anyone spending a kings ransom to restore at Bi-Turbo, a QP4...why...because there are lots and the fact of the matter is they they are not exclusive, whereas Merak, Bora etc are.

So when will the coupe family become as rare...another 10 years+.

As for the 32/42 series all that will happen re price is that as the years go on they will be worth the same.

Good one more poor ones less.
 
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Lione1Richie

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Sorry for resurecting a slightly old thread.

I had noticed this car on PH the other day and thought it looked to be a great example with a good service history at a great price. If I wasnt in the research phase and was in the buying phase i'd definatly be trying to get along and see this car. I think at the end of the day if you see a car you like and you have it inspected etc then you have to make the call on it. It might be a pup, it might be a bargin I guess it just needs someone to take the plunge :)

Regarding the 4 month time frame, for me that wouldn't be an issue. I once bought a Clio V6 on a bit of a whim and sold it 3 months later as I just didn't get on with it. We all make mistakes :)

-Lione1.
 

Parisien

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Guys,

These cars are just that CARS...OK we like them, some even love them...but at the end of the day they are machines that will wear-out, unless you refurbish them.

In time most 3200 will rust away, as will the 4200, GS, GT and every other one that comes out.

I have yet to see anyone spending a kings ransom to restore at Bi-Turbo, a QP4...why...because there are lots and the fact of the matter is they they are not exclusive, whereas Merak, Bora etc are.

So when will the coupe family become as rare...another 10 years+.

As for the 32/42 series all that will happen re price is that as the years go on they will be worth the same.

Good one more poor ones less.

A dose of reality there Peter....going into any commercial transaction....eyes open......radar whiched on..........the only way......try to leave heart at garage door!


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