Are you worried yet.

[Oneball]

Here is some very alarming news unfortunately...............Israel have said that people who get the Pfiser vaccine and only get one dose are only protected 33%. Not the 89% that British government are relying on. They can't comment on the Astra Zenica vaccine. Pfiser always said three weeks between vaccine doses and seems we have just screwed over an awful lot of people.
Well that puts a massive effing spanner in the works if true.

Not exactly a true reflection.
Covid: Israel vaccine fears 'out of context and inaccurate' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55734257

 

[Simon1963]

Had a call from my son earlier this evening and his partner who is a nurse has tested positive with her home testing kit and has a cough. She’s had a full test and waiting for the results.

Test came back positive. She feel fine and had the vaccine last Saturday so fingers crossed.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Not exactly a true reflection.
Covid: Israel vaccine fears 'out of context and inaccurate' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55734257

Looks pretty damming to me, they analysed the medical records of 200 thousand people............................
Clalit, Israel's largest healthcare provider, covering most of the population, compared the medical records of 200,000 vaccinated over-60s with the same number belonging to unvaccinated people.
For two weeks after the first dose, both groups tested positive for the virus at roughly the same rate.
But then those vaccinated started to show 33% fewer new infections than the others.
"This is very early protection," said Clalit chief innovation officer, Ran Balicher, who is also a public health professor advising the government.
And "already there is a 33% fall".
Infections continued to decline after that.
But there were too few for Prof Balicher to calculate by what percentage.

 

[Wattie]

Here is some very alarming news unfortunately...............Israel have said that people who get the Pfiser vaccine and only get one dose are only protected 33%. Not the 89% that British government are relying on. They can't comment on the Astra Zenica vaccine. Pfiser always said three weeks between vaccine doses and seems we have just screwed over an awful lot of people.
Well that puts a massive effing spanner in the works if true.

It’s true.
Look At Pfizer’s statement regarding 21 days.

Pfizer Backs Two-Dose Shot Schedule as U.K. Spaces Out Shots

Pfizer Inc. said the second dose of its Covid-19 vaccine should be delivered to individuals within the recommended 21-day period, calling into question a decision by the U.K. to space out the dosing regimen.

www.bloomberg.com

“Pfizer said on Thursday, warning “there is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

It was never tested at any other 2nd dose time point.

 

[fphil]

So here in France on these news the R is 1.2 what is it in the UK ?

What news? From which lab comes this figure? Aside the fact that R as no proper definition, as can be per ex. the degree Farenheit per temperature, here in France the official data is delayed and incoherent. It is really pittyful. One can only say from what we get that at the moment we are walking on top of eggs .. Besides, if speaking of Eu , Italy, Netherland, Germany are doing better, alas not Spain!

 

[philw696]

@fphil TV 2 this morning we were watching.

 

[Oneball]

Looks pretty damming to me, they analysed the medical records of 200 thousand people............................
Clalit, Israel's largest healthcare provider, covering most of the population, compared the medical records of 200,000 vaccinated over-60s with the same number belonging to unvaccinated people.
For two weeks after the first dose, both groups tested positive for the virus at roughly the same rate.
But then those vaccinated started to show 33% fewer new infections than the others.
"This is very early protection," said Clalit chief innovation officer, Ran Balicher, who is also a public health professor advising the government.
And "already there is a 33% fall".
Infections continued to decline after that.
But there were too few for Prof Balicher to calculate by what percentage.

the studies that gave the 33% and 89% results are not measuring the same thing.

 

[Wattie]

D

It’s true.
Look At Pfizer’s statement regarding 21 days.

Pfizer Backs Two-Dose Shot Schedule as U.K. Spaces Out Shots

Pfizer Inc. said the second dose of its Covid-19 vaccine should be delivered to individuals within the recommended 21-day period, calling into question a decision by the U.K. to space out the dosing regimen.

www.bloomberg.com

“Pfizer said on Thursday, warning “there is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

It was never tested at any other 2nd dose time point.

Do you think this was just a coincidence?

No10 defends Stanley Johnson, 80, for getting 2 doses of Covid vaccine

Stanley Johnson sparked outrage when he revealed he was getting his second and final dose of the jab on Friday - despite only getting his first 21 days earlier on December 18.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[safrane]

The facts purported on here are as well informed as Trumps (closed) twitter feed.

 

[GeoffCapes]

Just seen on the news that even though we are in a Lockdown, infection rates are going up in some areas!

They have highlighted those areas being in significant deprivation, AND (so not to compare the two) areas with high numbers of black, Asian and Ethnic minorities.

Anyone care to mention the elephant in the room?

 

[Wattie]

The facts purported on here are as well informed as Trumps (closed) twitter feed.

If you’re questioning my facts.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

Page 15.
21 days.

 

[Swedish Paul]

It’s not really lockdown though is it? My brother told me there is no difference in the folks around compared with early December. That means a lot more people going about their daily business than in the spring lockdown. The roads are full. The streets are busy. So the news isn’t so surprising.

 

[allandwf]

What did people expect, it's only been three weeks since all the Festive mixing that went on.

 

[Phil the Brit]

If you’re questioning my facts.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

Page 15.
21 days.

I think in this case your facts from a very reputable source cannot be denied Wattie

 

[Oneball]

What did people expect, it's only been three weeks since all the Festive mixing that went on.

Amateurs! They should’ve remembered; beer before wine feeling fine, wine before beer feeling *****.

 

[Felonious Crud]

Just seen on the news that even though we are in a Lockdown, infection rates are going up in some areas!

They have highlighted those areas being in significant deprivation, AND (so not to compare the two) areas with high numbers of black, Asian and Ethnic minorities.

Anyone care to mention the elephant in the room?

Nellie.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Said goodbye to the circus

 

[Felonious Crud]

Said goodbye to the circus

And off she went with a Trumpety Trump.

Oh, wait, wrong thread. Sorry.

 

[midlifecrisis]

And off she went with a Trumpety Trump.

Oh, wait, wrong thread. Sorry.

WOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Scaf]

New £800 fines introduced for people attending house parties of over 15 people, my disgusted has said she is already seeing comments on facebook like “does that mean we can have parties with up to 15 people” !!
Are people really that stupid