Dieselgate

[Nibby]

I’m a tax payer, can I claim because my taxes may have been higher because of the lower VED tax take?

Give it a go.

 

[Scaf]

Give it a go.

We need a “class action” I’m in !

 

[Nibby]

 

[philw696]

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That was one thing that annoyed me in New Zealand no emission test there along with a very basic test worse than the MOT.

 

[del mar 2]

Did anybody buy a diesel because they thought they were saving the earth, or did they buy them because they did 60mpg ?

 

[GeoffCapes]

I'm trying to work out what financial loss any owner would have had because of 'dieselgate' and as far as I can see, they haven't.

So why the compo?

 

[CatmanV2]

I'm trying to work out what financial loss any owner would have had because of 'dieselgate' and as far as I can see, they haven't.

So why the compo?

This is my feeling as well.

C

 

[midlifecrisis]

I'm trying to work out what financial loss any owner would have had because of 'dieselgate' and as far as I can see, they haven't.

So why the compo?

The man in the street got slightly less mpg than claimed and had to theoretically buy more diesel.
Also the UK Government got less from VED and BiK payments so should receive compensation too.

 

[lifes2short]

The man in the street got slightly less mpg than claimed

surely that's the case with all manufacturers quoted mpg figures anyway that are carried out in lab type conditions with no ancillary components bolted on the lumps etc and i suspect all EV range figures are over generous as well, will people then be claiming compensation for extra electrics charging expenses

 

[Scaf]

The man in the street got slightly less mpg than claimed and had to theoretically buy more diesel.
Also the UK Government got less from VED and BiK payments so should receive compensation too.

I could be wrong but I think the legal action is related to co2 emission’s not MPG.

I fully agree government has lost out, not only on VED but also benefit in kind P11D taxation

 

[lifes2short]

I fully agree government has lost out

but will you lose any sleep over it

 

[midlifecrisis]

I could be wrong but I think the legal action is related to co2 emission’s not MPG

You might be right. The extra cost would be to replace parts during failed emissions at the MOT. Air filters and DPFs etc when the tuning was at fault.

 

[midlifecrisis]

I could be wrong but I think the legal action is related to co2 emission’s not MPG

You might be right. The extra cost would be to replace parts during failed emissions at the MOT. Air filters and DPFs etc when the tuning was at fault.

 

[CatmanV2]

You might be right. The extra cost would be to replace parts during failed emissions at the MOT. Air filters and DPFs etc when the tuning was at fault.

Be interesting to see if there's actually any documented cases of that happening. It's not like the tune they came out of the factory with immediately failed an MOT or replacing parts wouldn't have helped anyway. There might have been less margin for (for example) DPF inefficiency but....

C

 

[Oneball]

You might be right. The extra cost would be to replace parts during failed emissions at the MOT. Air filters and DPFs etc when the tuning was at fault.

The individual claims are based on being mis-sold the car due to false emissions claims. The arguement being that you wouldn’t have bought a VW. The financial reparations from a claim are speculative in most instances unless you still own the car and argue it’s value has decreased due to dieselgate. It’s total and utter ********. (They’ve been fined already for breaking the law).

They fudged the test using an ecu. It’s no different to having silly gear ratios which tie in perfectly with the EU cycles like every manufacturer does.

 

[MrMickS]

On an individual basis this put the cars into a lower VED band, which may have influenced the purchase of a VW over an other brand. This is fraud and compensation there is usual. If the cars have been moved into a higher VED band afterwards there is some loss there.

The knowledge that the cars are not as clean as they say they are may have impacted the re-sale value which is again a potential loss.

 

[sionie1]

On an individual basis this put the cars into a lower VED band, which may have influenced the purchase of a VW over an other brand. This is fraud and compensation there is usual. If the cars have been moved into a higher VED band afterwards there is some loss there.

The knowledge that the cars are not as clean as they say they are may have impacted the re-sale value which is again a potential loss.

This is what happened to me, other than the resale, which doesn't affect me. Company vehicle, 45k miles a year, car list, chose VW based on spec AND VED banding. Got stung for more tax than planned. Now, would I have chosen the VW and paid the higher tax if all things being equal? Possibly, but I ordered that vehicle thinking I was getting the best win all round for a certain payment and vs other offerings.

 

[P R]

The individual claims are based on being mis-sold the car due to false emissions claims. The arguement being that you wouldn’t have bought a VW. The financial reparations from a claim are speculative in most instances unless you still own the car and argue it’s value has decreased due to dieselgate. It’s total and utter ****. (They’ve been fined already for breaking the law).

They fudged the test using an ecu. It’s no different to having silly gear ratios which tie in perfectly with the EU cycles like every manufacturer does.

Theres a difference between tuning a vehicle to test conditions and outright cheating on a test. Its like having a syllabus to revise vs having the answer sheet to the exam. And apart from in the US I dont think they have had any meaningful punishment.

 

[Oneball]

Theres a difference between tuning a vehicle to test conditions and outright cheating on a test. Its like having a syllabus to revise vs having the answer sheet to the exam. And apart from in the US I dont think they have had any meaningful punishment.

The ecu was tuned to adjust the fueling based on the test conditions it’s the same as the gear ratios being chosen for the test conditions. If you drive the VW Golf you bought in exactly the same manner as the test it would return the same emissions per km and use the same quantity of ad blue.

The EU fine levied on VW was €875,000,000.

 

[Tallman]

A lot of the numbers of most manufacturers are at best unrealistic. On my 650i you have to switch of the start/stop system everything you switch on, there is not a setting to disable it, you have to do it manually. This is all to do with getting a better rating.