Dieselgate

[Oneball]

A lot of the numbers of most manufacturers are at best unrealistic. On my 650i you have to switch of the start/stop system everything you switch on, there is not a setting to disable it, you have to do it manually. This is all to do with getting a better rating.

That’s why think the individual claims are ****.
As I understand it the regulatory fines were designing the ECU to recognise the test which allowed VW to fit a smaller ad blue tank. So although breaking the rules, did it really affect Sandra in Basingstoke?

 

[P R]

The ecu was tuned to adjust the fueling based on the test conditions it’s the same as the gear ratios being chosen for the test conditions. If you drive the VW Golf you bought in exactly the same manner as the test it would return the same emissions per km and use the same quantity of ad blue.

The EU fine levied on VW was €875,000,000.

Im not disagreeing with the same mpg / adblu usage with cheat device (map) fitted. But if a car maker fits a gearbox with certain ratios it cant then change them out for a non test car. If a test steers (pardon the pun!) a car maker to make a less efficient car in the real world then thats an issue with the test. To fit a device that deliberately fudges a test result then thats fraud.

And wasnt the 875m fine for VW and BMW for colluding on not cleaning cars up more quickly?
EU fines Volkswagen, BMW $1 bln for emissions cartel | Reuters

 

[Oneball]

Im not disagreeing with the same mpg / adblu usage with cheat device (map) fitted. But if a car maker fits a gearbox with certain ratios it cant then change them out for a non test car. If a test steers (pardon the pun!) a car maker to make a less efficient car in the real world then thats an issue with the test. To fit a device that deliberately fudges a test result then thats fraud.

And wasnt the 875m fine for VW and BMW for colluding on not cleaning cars up more quickly?
EU fines Volkswagen, BMW $1 bln for emissions cartel | Reuters

Every car VW produced had the “test” software in the ecu. They didn’t submit a different car for the test than the one you could buy. If you got a VW off the street and submitted it to the test it would return the same result as the original test.

That was my point. The only thing they could fine them for was collusion, so the individual claims about being impacted by the cheating are bunkum.