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I’m no electric car fan but if the battery life advances continue I can see that many will be.


Electric Porsche breaks battery record by driving from LA to New York with just 2.5 hours of charge
The 4,500km journey cost just $76.82 in electricity from the charging stations

Read in The Independent: https://apple.news/ARptBn4INRo-bi7W_QI9mBQ





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Interesting mate and I'm sure they are going to improve.
For me I like my guilty pleasures of spending my hard earned.
Filling my tank with 98 is one of those as when I'm sat back behind the wheel and my current steed with its flat 6 fires up and your moving it's worth every penny.
Don't get the same excitement when I recharge my Milwaukee tools :)
 
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In December, just over 25% of new cars sold in the UK were fully electric. Given it’s still 8 years until the ban on ICE cars, the rate of uptake of electric vehicles is incredible.
 
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Unfortunately most of that take up is incentivised by government policy to relatively rich people with company cars.

The other question is are theyre going down the diesel incentive route again and that had the environmental impact of returning our cities to the 1950s!
 
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I had lunch a couple of weeks ago with the journalist and petrolhead Tom Ford. Some very funny stories, interestingly including an East to West coast drive collecting about 15 speeding fines, one by police helicopter in Arizona that nearly earned him a criminal record! His take on electric was, I suspect similar to yours Ewan, a case of horses for courses. Use electric for the monotonous commute or school run, and save the petrol for proper driving. Incidentally he agreed my 32 year old 560SEC was probably greener than a new car every three years, whether electric or not. There must be details out there on CO2 to build and dispose?
 
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I have had an i3 for nearly 2 years now and although I still enjoy my 3200 and would not get rid of it, I like driving the electric car too. I don't wistfully miss the engine noise and the gears its different and good in its own way, I think electric cars are fast and fun, bring it on.
 
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Guy said:
I had lunch a couple of weeks ago with the journalist and petrolhead Tom Ford. Some very funny stories, interestingly including an East to West coast drive collecting about 15 speeding fines, one by police helicopter in Arizona that nearly earned him a criminal record! His take on electric was, I suspect similar to yours Ewan, a case of horses for courses. Use electric for the monotonous commute or school run, and save the petrol for proper driving. Incidentally he agreed my 32 year old 560SEC was probably greener than a new car every three years, whether electric or not. There must be details out there on CO2 to build and dispose?
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It depends on where you get your charge from. In UK about 44% of electricity comes from renewable forms and a calculation I have seen says at that rate an electric car is "greener" after approx 13k miles. In Norway where virtually all electricity is renewable it is about 8k. I am amazed at the recharging times on the cross US run...10 or so charges in 146 minutes? Really??
 
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Oneball said:
Unfortunately most of that take up is incentivised by government policy to relatively rich people with company cars.
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Agree - I know a lot of self employed people who are buying electric cars through their companies for the government incentives and tiny BIK tax. There's also quite a few larger companies that are reintroducing company cars for electric vehicles to take advantage. I suspect electric vehicles are still too expensive for many people, particularly with the cost of getting a home charging pod installed on top and the government reducing the incentive payment.
 
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HenrysDad said:
It depends on where you get your charge from. In UK about 44% of electricity comes from renewable forms and a calculation I have seen says at that rate an electric car is "greener" after approx 13k miles. In Norway where virtually all electricity is renewable it is about 8k. I am amazed at the recharging times on the cross US run...10 or so charges in 146 minutes? Really??
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I can't believe that only 13k miles offsets car and battery production and disposal. That sounds like marketing vs engineering response.
 
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Guy said:
I can't believe that only 13k miles offsets car and battery production and disposal. That sounds like marketing vs engineering response.
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I am annoyed that I can't find the reference. It was on PH somewhere. I agree it does sound a little low, there are so many variables that is a difficult calculation.
 
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HenrysDad said:
It depends on where you get your charge from. In UK about 44% of electricity comes from renewable forms and a calculation I have seen says at that rate an electric car is "greener" after approx 13k miles. In Norway where virtually all electricity is renewable it is about 8k. I am amazed at the recharging times on the cross US run...10 or so charges in 146 minutes? Really??
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I can't believe that only 13k miles offsets car and battery production and disposal. That sounds like marketing vs engineering response.
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Volvo calculated 90k miles to EV break-even as a direct comparison between its fully EV thing and it's equivalent petrol thing, made side-by-side in the same factory. I posted it somewhere. Hold on, will dig it out. Edit to follow.

Here you go:

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The discussion was in this thread -> https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/stellantis-ceo-and-electric-vehicles.34838/
 
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Felonious Crud said:
Volvo calculated 90k miles to EV break-even as a direct comparison between its fully EV thing and it's equivalent petrol thing, made side-by-side in the same factory. I posted it somewhere. Hold on, will dig it out. Edit to follow.

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The discussion was in this thread -> https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/stellantis-ceo-and-electric-vehicles.34838/
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Most EVs bought (leased probably) won't pass 90k for 10yrs or more. I withdraw my 13k figure!
 
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Felonious Crud said:
Volvo calculated 90k miles to EV break-even as a direct comparison between its fully EV thing and it's equivalent petrol thing, made side-by-side in the same factory. I posted it somewhere. Hold on, will dig it out. Edit to follow.

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The discussion was in this thread -> https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/stellantis-ceo-and-electric-vehicles.34838/
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To quote Rory from the video, the most realistic figure for us being in Europe, is 53,000 miles. Which, for a lot of people, means that the EV would pay back the carbon deficit with its first owner.
 
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HenrysDad said:
I am annoyed that I can't find the reference. It was on PH somewhere. I agree it does sound a little low, there are so many variables that is a difficult calculation.
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You might be thinking of this. This study looks at both the origins of the battery as well as the carbon footprint of the fuel supply infrastructure.

www.carbonbrief.org

Factcheck: How electric vehicles help to tackle climate change

Electric vehicles (EVs) are an important part of meeting global goals on climate change. They feature prominently in mitigation pathways that limit warming to well-below 2C or 1.5C, which would be inline with the Paris Agreement’s targets.
www.carbonbrief.org www.carbonbrief.org
 
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Zep said:
You might be thinking of this. This study looks at both the origins of the battery as well as the carbon footprint of the fuel supply infrastructure.

www.carbonbrief.org

Factcheck: How electric vehicles help to tackle climate change

Electric vehicles (EVs) are an important part of meeting global goals on climate change. They feature prominently in mitigation pathways that limit warming to well-below 2C or 1.5C, which would be inline with the Paris Agreement’s targets.
www.carbonbrief.org www.carbonbrief.org
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I was indeed thank you. Ian Backford Rules!!!
 
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Interesting that they use the Nissan Leaf as their case study. The factory at Sunderland has quite a few very large wind turbines and a lot of PV and I know only buy green electricity from the grid as well (not only good PR but good to see they're doing their bit for the planet).

I'm doing a lot of work in Poland at the moment where there is a massive rush to decarbonise their energy generation at the moment.

The country has a very large manufacturing industry.

The following manufacturers build cars there.
Ford, Opel, Fiat, Lancia (remember them) Chevrolet.
I'll ignore the engine builders as none make their electric or hybrid engines there.

But if we look at seats the following manufacturers use seats made there. BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Opel, Volvo, Suzuki, Mitsubishi and Porsche.

And most of the tyre manufacturers have factories there, Goodyear, Dunlop, Fulda, Michelin (the list goes on).

Only 13% of the electricity in Poland is from renewables. Most comes from coal.

Far be it from me to suggest they cherry pick their example, but it does seem to be skewed towards using the greenest possible car as opposed to the industry average.

Or is it just me?
 
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