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Wack61

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For me you have nailed it. No point throwing away a perfectly good car. But the EVs aren’t scrapped after 3 years, they just go to new owners.

The perception with EVs rightly or wrongly is limited battery life, you don't want to be the one with no chair when the music stops

If I'm spending my money I want to know the battery isn't going to need replacing in my ownership , fine when they're 3 years old but 10 years old , millions of petrol cars on the road are 10+ years old and still useable to drive to Scotland in a day for £5000 or less, would I spend my money on a 14 plate EV with no guarantee on the battery , unlikely

That's the bridge they need to cross, public confidence in battery life if they're going to be around for as long as petrol cars.
 

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They want to ban Petrol powered gardening tools now.
Will it ever end ?
I wouldn't be able to keep on top of my place without my mowers, hedge trimmer, strimmer and chain saw that's for sure.
 

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So if I do about 4-5k miles per year the payback is 12-15 years?

Fook that ....I could be dead 5 times over before then. I'll stick with the V8's I think.

If you do 5k a year you aren't suited to an EV to be honest.

I do 20k per year and it costs me 7.5p per kwh on a night tariff to charge as such 220/230 miles costs me about £5.50.

I will be honest I have my EV as its a company car so financially its dirt cheap. However as a daily driver I would not go back to petrol. Its extremely quiet, cheap to run and with an instant 480hp the performance is fantastic... When you are sat on the motorway or commuting you don't really need something that is massively fun to drive imo however I would take my Polestar over a similar priced 330e or C Class diesel etc.

I do understand they are still expensive however if you take a base Model 3 at circa. £40k its not really anymore than a decent spec 320d whilst being a lot faster and cheaper to run and they will only continue to get cheaper as they become mass produced.

Its PHEVs that annoy me as they seem the worst of both worlds and most are never even charged!
 

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If you do 5k a year you aren't suited to an EV to be honest.

I do 20k per year and it costs me 7.5p per kwh on a night tariff to charge as such 220/230 miles costs me about £5.50.

I will be honest I have my EV as its a company car so financially its dirt cheap. However as a daily driver I would not go back to petrol. Its extremely quiet, cheap to run and with an instant 480hp the performance is fantastic... When you are sat on the motorway or commuting you don't really need something that is massively fun to drive imo however I would take my Polestar over a similar priced 330e or C Class diesel etc.

I do understand they are still expensive however if you take a base Model 3 at circa. £40k its not really anymore than a decent spec 320d whilst being a lot faster and cheaper to run and they will only continue to get cheaper as they become mass produced.

Its PHEVs that annoy me as they seem the worst of both worlds and most are never even charged!
How do you find the away-from-home charging with the Polestar?
 

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The perception with EVs rightly or wrongly is limited battery life, you don't want to be the one with no chair when the music stops

If I'm spending my money I want to know the battery isn't going to need replacing in my ownership , fine when they're 3 years old but 10 years old , millions of petrol cars on the road are 10+ years old and still useable to drive to Scotland in a day for £5000 or less, would I spend my money on a 14 plate EV with no guarantee on the battery , unlikely

That's the bridge they need to cross, public confidence in battery life if they're going to be around for as long as petrol cars.

I get it, there is in essence a change in the economics of cars, where before we would pay over time for things like engine oil, air filters and spark plugs, to a single outlay for a battery. Which could end up on a new owners plate without the benefit of the previous savings. Batteries, like engines, don’t usually fail catastrophically, they degrade over time, so when buying a used EV it should be possible to identify a failing battery, like looking for smoke from the exhaust, and either factor in repairs or walk away. A 10 year old Nissan Leaf might have a range of 50 miles (it was less than 100 when new). As they seem to still have a value, that must be ok for some people, who don’t need to drive long distances. My mum would never need more than that for example.

It is possible, and will become more widespread, to repair batteries, which are made up of multiple small cells. Only one or two of which will fail. The manufacturers will quote a new battery if they aren’t paying for it, but there are already outfits which will refurb them.

Like a lot of things, changes take a while to balance out, but in the end it will. One thing is for sure, it wasn’t perfect from the outset, but then neither was the petrol car. But after a century, the ICE has peaked, a glorious, soul stirring, melodious peak (most Renaults excluded). EVs are already better for the planet (if that’s your bag) and have benefits in use for mundane transport, and will only get more so.
 

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They want to ban Petrol powered gardening tools now.
Will it ever end ?
I wouldn't be able to keep on top of my place without my mowers, hedge trimmer, strimmer and chain saw that's for sure.

I have converted to EV when it comes to lawnmowers 40v battery one , it's great
 

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This threads interesting.

If you’ve got a passion for driving.....generally you don’t wanna buy electric.

If you’ve not experienced all that fossil fuels offer (the passion etc) .....you probably will or will combine the two (subject to budget).

(Unfortunately) The future is headed in the direction of “clean”.

We could all buy cars like that if we wanted .

The world is being changed, it’s time to represent what you want.

Or lose it.


Australia is too big a place to be worrying about range ,though if they ever make a solar powered car it'd be great
 

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How do you find the away-from-home charging with the Polestar?

Not bad at all, I will be honest its very rare I need to utilise a public charger as you effectively leave home with a full tank and its only a handful of occasions I year I do more than 180-200 miles in a day even doing 20k p.a.

I had one drive where I had to visit three services to find a charger available which was a pain but when I do a long drive I look to charge at 30% so I have plenty in reserve in case something goes wrong.

If I couldn't charge at home I would say Tesla is the only option currently however. The network is improving for other EVs especially since Gridpoint took over the motorway ones.

As it is I had a Model 3 before and feel the Polestar 2 is the better car if you don't need out and out range. As a daily driver/all rounder its probably the best car I have owned.
 

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Not bad at all, I will be honest its very rare I need to utilise a public charger as you effectively leave home with a full tank and its only a handful of occasions I year I do more than 180-200 miles in a day even doing 20k p.a.

I had one drive where I had to visit three services to find a charger available which was a pain but when I do a long drive I look to charge at 30% so I have plenty in reserve in case something goes wrong.

If I couldn't charge at home I would say Tesla is the only option currently however. The network is improving for other EVs especially since Gridpoint took over the motorway ones.

As it is I had a Model 3 before and feel the Polestar 2 is the better car if you don't need out and out range. As a daily driver/all rounder its probably the best car I have owned.
Interesting, thanks. The Polestar 2 is the only one I'd consider right now.
 

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They want to ban Petrol powered gardening tools now.
Will it ever end ?
I wouldn't be able to keep on top of my place without my mowers, hedge trimmer, strimmer and chain saw that's for sure.
Already done in California, I believe. Provided battery life is long enough I would have no issue with gardening tools being all-electric. My 2-stroke blower, strimmer and hedge trimmer are also very noisy!
 

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Interesting, thanks. The Polestar 2 is the only one I'd consider right now.

If you ever want to try one you are welcome to drive mine if you are close to Chester.
The dealer network is fine (Volvo Garages) but the only issue is they aren't many places you can get a test drive!
 

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If you ever want to try one you are welcome to drive mine if you are close to Chester.
The dealer network is fine (Volvo Garages) but the only issue is they aren't many places you can get a test drive!
What a generous offer, thanks. I'm diametrically opposite you in the south-east, though. It's probably for the best; much as I don't need one, I suspect I might enjoy one.
 

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Already done in California, I believe. Provided battery life is long enough I would have no issue with gardening tools being all-electric. My 2-stroke blower, strimmer and hedge trimmer are also very noisy!
I thought you liked noise ;)
 

Wack61

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What a generous offer, thanks. I'm diametrically opposite you in the south-east, though. It's probably for the best; much as I don't need one, I suspect I might enjoy one.

Same goes for my lawn mower , test drive available , both lawns though for the full experience
 

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They want to ban Petrol powered gardening tools now.
Will it ever end ?
I wouldn't be able to keep on top of my place without my mowers, hedge trimmer, strimmer and chain saw that's for sure.

A couple of years ago thieves broke into one of the farm sheds are stole my petrol-powered chain saw, strimmer, hedge cutter and leaf blower. I've since replaced all with their electric powered equivalents (from the same manufacturer, Stihl). Lighter, quieter and less tiring to use. And no going to the garage to get (expensive) fuel. With this type of garden machinery, going electric is the obvious choice now.
 

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If you do 5k a year you aren't suited to an EV to be honest.

I do 20k per year and it costs me 7.5p per kwh on a night tariff to charge as such 220/230 miles costs me about £5.50.

I will be honest I have my EV as its a company car so financially its dirt cheap. However as a daily driver I would not go back to petrol. Its extremely quiet, cheap to run and with an instant 480hp the performance is fantastic... When you are sat on the motorway or commuting you don't really need something that is massively fun to drive imo however I would take my Polestar over a similar priced 330e or C Class diesel etc.

I do understand they are still expensive however if you take a base Model 3 at circa. £40k its not really anymore than a decent spec 320d whilst being a lot faster and cheaper to run and they will only continue to get cheaper as they become mass produced.

Its PHEVs that annoy me as they seem the worst of both worlds and most are never even charged!

Not sure only doing low miles in an EV is a bad thing at all and you don't need to do high mike's to justify it really. My wife had a Discovery Sport 2.0 Diesel until recently but not children go to same school only 1/2 at the top of the road so made no sense anymore doing those journeys in that car. Loads of engine wear, **** MPG, bad emmisson, DPF etc. so all car from ideal.
So got her a new MG ZS EV that we are really pleased with and works really well. Much better suited to those journey's. Not sure a more expensive EV would make sense though and the MG was the only one that really made sense for us.

I so have a work Outlander PHEV as half the journeys are very local so get mainly done on battery only. It is always charged at home so I max the BEV usage and again makes lots of sense for most journeys.

Again it was a pretty cost effective option as a company 2 seater commercial for work use. Any more expensive and it makes far less sense.
 

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Not sure only doing low miles in an EV is a bad thing at all and you don't need to do high mike's to justify it really. My wife had a Discovery Sport 2.0 Diesel until recently but not children go to same school only 1/2 at the top of the road so made no sense anymore doing those journeys in that car. Loads of engine wear, **** MPG, bad emmisson, DPF etc. so all car from ideal.
So got her a new MG ZS EV that we are really pleased with and works really well. Much better suited to those journey's. Not sure a more expensive EV would make sense though and the MG was the only one that really made sense for us.

I so have a work Outlander PHEV as half the journeys are very local so get mainly done on battery only. It is always charged at home so I max the BEV usage and again makes lots of sense for most journeys.

Again it was a pretty cost effective option as a company 2 seater commercial for work use. Any more expensive and it makes far less sense.

Hi,

The 5k per year was because this thread seemed to be focussed on the pay-back in terms of the extra Co2 made producing the car over what it saves over its lifetime as the break-even point is about 60k miles so it would take 12 years which is a long time!

The ZS EVs are great value to be honest, my fiances mum has the new facelift model and for the money its a great all rounder.

If you charge a PHEV then well done, a couple of my staff have them and none get charged and were just chosen to pay low company car tax...
 

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They want to ban Petrol powered gardening tools now.
Will it ever end ?
I wouldn't be able to keep on top of my place without my mowers, hedge trimmer, strimmer and chain saw that's for sure.
Prince Charles' Highgrove estate has got rid of all ice gardening equipment, all electric now.