Temptation. MC Victory.

[philw696]

Personally I think the MOT history is always going to go against that car in my opinion as someone who has MOT tested many cars over my years in the trade.
Needs a sympathetic restoration.

 

[Scaf]

I had a MK2 Cortina horribly undersealed from new, MOT guys always commented negatively suggesting hidden rust, fact was it was like new underneath once the 35 year old tar was cleaned off.
Only way someone will know for sure would be by an detailed inspection.

 

[dickygrace]

Guess we are about to find out but I would defer to Dicky. Not been below 50K for some time, nearer 60K is the norm. Modern Classics article valued them at 70K at peak but there are very few points of reference.

We’ve sold the last 9 U.K. MCV’s so have a good idea on them. I was offered this car last summer but the seller saw it at a higher value than I do. The advert says it’s done 54k miles but the photo of the odometer shows 57399. IF the car were to have a new clutch fitted and works to attain a full clean bill of health and cosmetic work, paint etc to brought up to the standard a rare car like this should be in, I’d suggest it may be worth £40-45k. An immaculate Blu Victory car with less miles is still worth in the region of £60k or more, as @hashluck says.

 

[rockits]

I think your right Dicky. Sounds like the owner wants more money than it is realistically worth. This one sounds off the pace condition wise so needs to be considerably cheaper than others sold to allow money to be spent to get up to scratch. Even then it still won't ever be a top example or price. I have enquired about it and might go to view it as it isn't too far from me.

The corrosion/rust issues with the undersealing suggests there have been some issues but a viewing would clear that up.

Did you view it Dicky? Or was it not worth the time to do so as the numbers were so much off?

 

[allandwf]

Am I missing something? Most talking it down as its a bit unloved, unkept, but it's starting at £30k not 40 to 45k.

 

[safrane]

Some may recall my recent post on GS prices after a tired one failed to make it to a standard price.

Within said post I outlined that these cars do cost a lot to maintain, and if it is not done you loose out considerably come sale time... you also run the risk of us lot running the car and price down.

Given the higher miles, clutch wear and other items that really do need sorting... 35-40 could still make it a VFM MC, more than that and you may as well go for a good GS.

 

[rockits]

Am I missing something? Most talking it down as its a bit unloved, unkept, but it's starting at £30k not 40 to 45k.

The problem is for me that by the time you have spent a few k on a clutch, service and likely many other bits/bobs you have done £10k. You are still left with a higher mile MCV with many better ones around. That being said it isn't £50k as you say and is still rare.

I will try to get across to have a look at it. If the carbon front spoiler/splitter is as bad as the pictures I am not sure you can touch these up. Will at least be a car I could use and worry less about and it likely not depreciate at all ever.

Would leave me a very tough decision on whether to sell the 15k mile garage queen 4200 I have or keep it.

 

[Phil H]

Am I missing something? Most talking it down as its a bit unloved, unkept, but it's starting at £30k not 40 to 45k.

Quite true. With a bit of tlc, a new clutch, and a private plate, I could see it being re-offered for a lot more than £30k; assuming it's a genuine offer at that price to start with. It's also a nice colour combination even if it's not blue.

PH

 

[JonW]

It does look lovely inside, but I would have thought there’s at least 10k of spend required to bring it to kind of condition you’d want it to be in. This includes a new clutch, probably a paint correction and detail, and then sorting out the lack of service history and getting it on a solid footing going forward.

You’d then have a nice, high mileage (by Maserati standards) MC-V in a sub optimal colour.

I still have a hankering that at some point I’d like to own an MC-V, but this is not the one for me...

 

[Ewan]

So, buy at £40k if you are lucky (as I don’t imagine the seller will let it go for less), spend £10k on it (minimum), and still be left with a high mileage, poor history MCV in the wrong colour - worth less than you’ve paid. Where’s the sense in that? It needs to be bought at £30k, but the chance of that is next to zero I imagine.

As I read it, Dicky has already explained the reality to the seller, and he didn’t like what he heard. But a year has passed, so maybe the message has now sunk in.

 

[Phil H]

Although I don't disagree with the maths, it's not hard to imagine someone picking it up and with the puff of a magic wand turning the bedraggled duck into a swan, at least in advertising terms.

PH

 

[rockits]

Agreed Jon/Ewan. It needs to be £30k or doesn't make sense for me. Anything more and I don't see there is enough upside to cover the time, money and hassle to pull it up a bit.

I agree as well that black on an MCV is not the best exterior colour. Although I like the interior colour combo.

 

[allandwf]

^ Buyer beware. As with any purchase.

 

[Zep]

Personally I like it, as will many others. It will never grace a collection, but as a usable MCV that can be brought up to spec and always command more than a standard GS, it’s worth a punt at the right price. It may not need a new clutch, but you can understand why Dickie would put one on a car he would retail. Buy it and drive it, bring it up to spec and put a clutch in it before selling.

 

[conaero]

They

This. But also. The seats. The seats. Don't forget the seats.

looks stunning but memories are also the most uncomfortable. GS seats are far better on the old bum.

 

[hashluck]

They

looks stunning but memories are also the most uncomfortable. GS seats are far better on the old bum.

I guess it just depends on your size/shape as I find them supremely comfortable. Same with lightweight seats in an Aston, some love them (I do) and won't buy a car without them and others cannot get on with them

 

[philw696]

Me too love a competion seat having spent many hours in one with all the Rallying I have done along with a good competition seat belt which I know has saved me from serious injuries over the years too.

 

[Wattie]

The problem is for me that by the time you have spent a few k on a clutch, service and likely many other bits/bobs you have done £10k. You are still left with a higher mile MCV with many better ones around. That being said it isn't £50k as you say and is still rare.

I will try to get across to have a look at it. If the carbon front spoiler/splitter is as bad as the pictures I am not sure you can touch these up. Will at least be a car I could use and worry less about and it likely not depreciate at all ever.

Would leave me a very tough decision on whether to sell the 15k mile garage queen 4200 I have or keep it.

That splitter is well scuffed and chipped......not surprised really, that’s gonna happen if you get anywhere near a kerb with that.

 

[Team GCR]

It is all very well to say it is a sub optimal/wrong colour but the reality is when buying cars this rare you do not have the luxury of being that picky.

My MC Victory is Nero Carbonio, I would have preferred Blu Victory but in my experience when you set out to buy a car this rare you have to take whatever colour comes up or you may never end up owning one. First time I tried to buy an MCV I hesitated a couple of hours before calling Dicky and the car was already sold. The next MCV that came up I think 6 or 9 months later was the same car again and I bought it and I think it was quite some time before another MCV came up for sale again (Dicky's memory might be better than mine). Overall the high specification and colour combination of the interior make up for the exterior colour for me.

It is the same when I bought my Triumph TR8, I nearly bought one but had just bought my 308 and couldn't justify another car so soon. It was three years until another TR8 came up for sale and again it was the same car. It was another five years before the next genuine RHD TR8 came up for sale. My car is white, again not my first choice of colour for the car but you can't be that picky and the fact it is number 1 of the 18 genuine RHD cars makes up for the colour.

Once again same with my Sunbeam Tiger Mk2 (which I bought in 1990 age 21) Orchid Green wouldn't have been my first choice but I was lucky to have the opportunity to buy it and the opportunity to buy one of the 12 RHD Mk2 Tigers only comes up once in a blue moon. I have now had my car 30 years and several of the others are in even longer term ownership.

I find the seats in the MCV perfectly comfortable even when we used it for Monaco or Bust but that aspect will very much be personal preference.

 

[JonW]

It is all very well to say it is a sub optimal/wrong colour but the reality is when buying cars this rare you do not have the luxury of being that picky.

My MC Victory is Nero Carbonio, I would have preferred Blu Victory but in my experience when you set out to buy a car this rare you have to take whatever colour comes up or you may never end up owning one. First time I tried to buy an MCV I hesitated a couple of hours before calling Dicky and the car was already sold. The next MCV that came up I think 6 or 9 months later was the same car again and I bought it and I think it was quite some time before another MCV came up for sale again (Dicky's memory might be better than mine). Overall the high specification and colour combination of the interior make up for the exterior colour for me.

It is the same when I bought my Triumph TR8, I nearly bought one but had just bought my 308 and couldn't justify another car so soon. It was three years until another TR8 came up for sale and again it was the same car. It was another five years before the next genuine RHD TR8 came up for sale. My car is white, again not my first choice of colour for the car but you can't be that picky and the fact it is number 1 of the 18 genuine RHD cars makes up for the colour.

Once again same with my Sunbeam Tiger Mk2 (which I bought in 1990 age 21) Orchid Green wouldn't have been my first choice but I was lucky to have the opportunity to buy it and the opportunity to buy one of the 12 RHD Mk2 Tigers only comes up once in a blue moon. I have now had my car 30 years and several of the others are in even longer term ownership.

I find the seats in the MCV perfectly comfortable even when we used it for Monaco or Bust but that aspect will very much be personal preference.

are you based near Epsom, and use Autofficina? If yes, then I’ve seen your MC-V there...