Attention all QPV connoisseurs Advice needed. About to pull trigger on QPV 4.2

Rwc13

Rwc13

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Having had numerous Gransports with the supposedly 35% quicker gear change and now a 2005 QP5 Duoselect, I would say there is very little difference in the way either shifts, whether in normal or sport. I have never driven a pre-facelift Sport GT, but I can say the earlier Duoselect drives very well as long as you remember that it is effectively a manual gearbox. It changes faster than you could do with a manual clutch, but you will still feel the clutch open and close as it shifts gear, so not like a torque converter auto. Once you accept that you are driving a “clutch-pedalless” manual and adjust your driving style accordingly, eg allow the revs to drop a little as the clutch opens, the duoselect does a very decent job of blurring the changes. This quite quickly becomes instinctive, and the box and car then rewards you with an involvingness that no other 4 seater saloon can replicate. So you should think of your choice between a ZF and Duoselect as between an automatic and a manual, not as comparing two different automatic gearboxes.

Concerning wear, there are two problems here. The first is that there appears to have been some defective clutches that failed early, and this has unfairly created negativity about the cost of maintaining the Duoselect/cambiocorsa gearboxes. The second is that, again, you have to think about it as a manual and learn to drive it so that you minimise the time of clutch take-up to minimise wear, as you would with a manual clutch. There is plenty of evidence that a property driven Duoselect clutch will last more than 50k miles. So buy one with plenty of wear left, learn to drive it like a clutch pedalless manual, and you will have a wonderfully involving manual 4 door “Ferrari engined” saloon in your garage.
 
Ewan

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If I we’re looking for a QPV, I’d go for a GT Sport from circa 2008, so the prettier pre-face lift shape and the more sporty duo-select gearbox.
Just my preference/opinion.
 
Motorsport3

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Rwc13 said:
Having had numerous Gransports with the supposedly 35% quicker gear change and now a 2005 QP5 Duoselect, I would say there is very little difference in the way either shifts, whether in normal or sport. I have never driven a pre-facelift Sport GT, but I can say the earlier Duoselect drives very well as long as you remember that it is effectively a manual gearbox. It changes faster than you could do with a manual clutch, but you will still feel the clutch open and close as it shifts gear, so not like a torque converter auto. Once you accept that you are driving a “clutch-pedalless” manual and adjust your driving style accordingly, eg allow the revs to drop a little as the clutch opens, the duoselect does a very decent job of blurring the changes. This quite quickly becomes instinctive, and the box and car then rewards you with an involvingness that no other 4 seater saloon can replicate. So you should think of your choice between a ZF and Duoselect as between an automatic and a manual, not as comparing two different automatic gearboxes.

Concerning wear, there are two problems here. The first is that there appears to have been some defective clutches that failed early, and this has unfairly created negativity about the cost of maintaining the Duoselect/cambiocorsa gearboxes. The second is that, again, you have to think about it as a manual and learn to drive it so that you minimise the time of clutch take-up to minimise wear, as you would with a manual clutch. There is plenty of evidence that a property driven Duoselect clutch will last more than 50k miles. So buy one with plenty of wear left, learn to drive it like a clutch pedalless manual, and you will have a wonderfully involving manual 4 door “Ferrari engined” saloon in your garage.
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I'm also on the DS camp and believe that the transaxle set up and dry sump engine makes it mechanically unique. Not great if you are looking for a daily but more special for an involving weekend drive.
 
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Alan Surrey

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Forced air cooing to seats, massage, blinds for rear side windows, 4(?) zone climate control, Tanganyika wood picnic tables, steering wheel and matching dashboard. Sunroof, body coloured stitching to interior leather, headlining one huge sheet of suede.
2008 pre facelift Executive GT QPV with 4.2, ZF and paddles.
Of course, all this is not to everyone's taste, but put it in auto and paddle it down a couple of gears before the corners. = Relaxed driving with huge grins, and a nice place to be while you are on the move. Mine is virtually a daily drive, I like it so much.

I did find that the 4.7s on sale during the 8 months I was looking never had quite the same interior fit.
Drive many, work out what you like, when you see a good one, get it inspected. Then the good bit: buy it and drive it as often as you can :)
Looking forward to hearing what you get and seeing you with it at a meet.
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Gents, hope you all had a good start to new year
Any of you know this cars history?

I just found a great car on Auto Trader:

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I love the colour combo and it’s a 4.7

Will probably go down a give it a test drive

Dom


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Nikko

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He's had it a while and the price has dropped quite a bit since it was originally advertised.
 
MarkMas

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Seems a reasonable price. Note that the full Bose means you can't (last I heard) have the SportsItalia Apple/Android upgrade.
 
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