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Phil H

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philw696 said:
PM Sunak announcing the ban on new petrol and diesel cars by 2030 has been put back to 2035, well there's a suprise! Watch it get moved again, hopefully.
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An extra 5 years to punish the owners of ICE cars; that should keep the coffers topped up.
 
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My mate and I were only discussing how the Government were going to hit the 2030 timeline this weekend, still not convinced the infrastructure will be in place to support charging all these new cars never mind the worrying battery life issues post original owners. New cars selling the secondhand market after 3 years or so is required to ensure the lease / pop deals are reasonable, if these cars start to suffer massive depreciation then the new monthly payments will rise accordingly effectively killing the market.

Post 2030 all the ICE cars before that will have a premium as people try to buy as an alternative to these EVs
 
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I strongly suspect there's no real chance of hitting the EV *charging* as is. But even if it is done, the next thing will be that the particulates from tyres and brakes are the bad thing, and so we need to ban cars. (1) I think Hamburg are doing this now (Pretty sure I read it yesterday). If you do drive in, the one way streets force you into one of several multistory car parks. I get the intention, expanding the pavement cafes, in theory re-vitalising the high street economy. It will be interesting to see what happens in reality.

(1) To the oft stated (and completely accurate) point that battery EV's are only an interim, I suspect they will, in fact, be much of the death knell of personal transportation as we currently know it. Not even sure that self driving shared vehicles will last. Even today there's a piece on the BBC about tyre particles in the ocean beds.

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zagatoes30 said:
My mate and I were only discussing how the Government were going to hit the 2030 timeline this weekend, still not convinced the infrastructure will be in place to support charging all these new cars never mind the worrying battery life issues post original owners. New cars selling the secondhand market after 3 years or so is required to ensure the lease / pop deals are reasonable, if these cars start to suffer massive depreciation then the new monthly payments will rise accordingly effectively killing the market.

Post 2030 all the ICE cars before that will have a premium as people try to buy as an alternative to these EVs
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Depreciation is already horrendous. Together with high interest rates on high capital costs make it a very difficult choice for anyone not offsetting through tax efficient schemes (ie company cars or for your own business).
 
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And if I understood correctly, with battery prices reducing strongly, so will the prices of new cars, further pushing down depreciation.
This reinforces the point that on today, only company car/similar situations make sense. For personal cars, it just is too early.

On that note, SWMBO has gotten a call from a friend that wants to buy her current, ageing petrol car. Given that it'd be an opportunity to get into something slightly more exciting (and probably second hand) , we've been considering possibilities and while electric cars seem the logical choice, taking further legislation into account (taxes on combustion engined cars are already increasing over here), the depreciation point makes it not an evident question. Suggestions of Lotus Elises, Renault Clio Williams and the like are currently not withheld either... :D
 
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Citroen are lauding their CX 5 plug-in hybrid which has a full electric range of 'up to' 39 miles. Yes I know it might be handy for the ULEZ folk, but 39 miles - really?
 
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Phil H said:
Citroen are lauding their CX 5 plug-in hybrid which has a full electric range of 'up to' 39 miles. Yes I know it might be handy for the ULEZ folk, but 39 miles - really?
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39 miles claimed probably equals high 20s at best!
 
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Wow 39 miles what a Joke.
My little Renault 4 can do 10 times that distance and people smile when they see it too.
 
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philw696 said:
Wow 39 miles what a Joke.
My little Renault 4 can do 10 times that distance and people smile when they see it too.
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Yes and no.
The Mrs Audi A3 TFSI e hybrid has a claimed range of 40 miles. In reality presently 30 miles.
Yesterday for example she went to the supermarket and back. Then late afternoon I went into town and picked our daughter up from the train station. All was done on 100% EV mode with a range remaining of 4 miles.
This morning it is fully charged again at a cost of 75p. If the running around yesterday was done in iCE mode it would have cost £5.
If you are going on a longer journey you set off in hybrid mode and it sorts itself out between the 1.4 TFSI engine and the electric motor.
Best of both worlds for us.
The Mrs business usage done economically with no need for public charging, and the family private domestic usage done on electric at minimal cost.
I really like driving it too!
It pulls away so smoothly and quickly it's a hoot, and in EV mode I've never thought it lacks power, considering the 200 or so BHP is split between the 2 power sources.
So it's a good compromise for ourselves at the moment.
 
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Church of Noise said:
Et si j’ai bien compris, avec la forte baisse des prix des batteries, les prix des voitures neuves baisseront également, ce qui fera encore baisser la dépréciation.
Cela renforce le point selon lequel, à l’heure actuelle, seules les situations de voiture de société/similaires ont du sens. Pour les voitures personnelles, il est tout simplement trop tôt.

À ce sujet, SWMBO a reçu un appel d’un ami qui souhaite acheter sa voiture à essence vieillissante actuelle. Étant donné que ce serait l'occasion de nous lancer dans quelque chose d'un peu plus excitant (et probablement d'occasion), nous avons examiné les possibilités et, même si les voitures électriques semblent être le choix logique, en tenant compte d'autres législations (les taxes sur les voitures à moteur à combustion sont déjà augmentant ici), le point de dépréciation fait que ce n'est pas une question évidente. Les suggestions de Lotus Elises, Renault Clio Williams et autres ne sont pas non plus retenues pour le moment... :D
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Church of Noise said:
Et si j’ai bien compris, avec la forte baisse des prix des batteries, les prix des voitures neuves baisseront également, ce qui fera encore baisser la dépréciation.
Cela renforce le point selon lequel, à l’heure actuelle, seules les situations de voiture de société/similaires ont du sens. Pour les voitures personnelles, il est tout simplement trop tôt.

À ce sujet, SWMBO a reçu un appel d’un ami qui souhaite acheter sa voiture à essence vieillissante actuelle. Étant donné que ce serait l'occasion de nous lancer dans quelque chose d'un peu plus excitant (et probablement d'occasion), nous avons examiné les possibilités et, même si les voitures électriques semblent être le choix logique, en tenant compte d'autres législations (les taxes sur les voitures à moteur à combustion sont déjà augmentant ici), le point de dépréciation fait que ce n'est pas une question évidente. Les suggestions de Lotus Elises, Renault Clio Williams et autres ne sont pas non plus retenues pour le moment... :D
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mjheathcote said:
Yes and no.
The Mrs Audi A3 TFSI e hybrid has a claimed range of 40 miles. In reality presently 30 miles.
Yesterday for example she went to the supermarket and back. Then late afternoon I went into town and picked our daughter up from the train station. All was done on 100% EV mode with a range remaining of 4 miles.
This morning it is fully charged again at a cost of 75p. If the running around yesterday was done in iCE mode it would have cost £5.
If you are going on a longer journey you set off in hybrid mode and it sorts itself out between the 1.4 TFSI engine and the electric motor.
Best of both worlds for us.
The Mrs business usage done economically with no need for public charging, and the family private domestic usage done on electric at minimal cost.
I really like driving it too!
It pulls away so smoothly and quickly it's a hoot, and in EV mode I've never thought it lacks power, considering the 200 or so BHP is split between the 2 power sources.
So it's a good compromise for ourselves at the moment.
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Take care, every time someone says something sensible it triggers another 100 pointless memes ;)

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Phil H said:
Citroen are lauding their CX 5 plug-in hybrid which has a full electric range of 'up to' 39 miles. Yes I know it might be handy for the ULEZ folk, but 39 miles - really?
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Range Rover hybrid does 70 miles on electricity only. That’s a full weeks commuting miles for me. For about £2 in fuel cost. Works for me.
 
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mjheathcote said:
Look at it another way with the drop in prices, they make a cracking used car purchase if it works for you.
Not just the Taycan, but other manufacturers EV cars too.
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I agree they look much better value but still only really makes sense if it is a company purchase with the govt tax efficiency because the depreciation continues and I am sure when they are around 5 years old the fear of a 55k battery will dominate their values. Time will tell.
 
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